Like the Police, a few “bad apples” will show themselves but, this is people protesting that schools and education in France are underfunded, dilapidated and children do not have materials to learn while they are in cold, drafty classrooms with leaking roofs. I see an increase in funding for schools and education in France’s very near future. There is a a good reason why the retirement age in France was not raised even after the government announced that the age of retirement / pension entitlement would be raised. Anyone calling this rioting is a class traitor or a shill.
look at the amazing no kings protests in the US where people danced and sang their way into a dictatorship.
Threaten capital.
i say we need to start thinking bigger. transport. electricity. water. hit the system where it hurts
The big problem France has, is that they are broke and since apparently no country in the world is willing to tax major coorperations and barely tax billionaires it will be very difficult to keep low retirement ages or bring all the schools in France up to reasonable standards.
I used to look up to France for their ability to come together and rebel again against the unjust.
Can someone tell me what they’re doing over there?
Coming together and rebelling against the unjust.
To boil it down, billionaires stealing all the money.
Lmao Nah, at this point they’re just wrecking shit for the fun of it
I’m not saying that it’s not happening. But from my comfortable viewing point it looks like Senseless violence. But my entire country looks like that from the right point of view
Not putting up with bullshit, that’s what they’re doing.
By looting?
This is always a disingenuous argument against protesting. There will always be opportunistic criminals that take advantage of these situations. It’s doesn’t take away the fact that protest and a national strike are the only actual power people have against the ruling class.
I’m not worried about Walmart losing money on looted TVs when cooperations are part of the problem and are run by the ruling class. If it’s a small business, hope your shits insured.
The only problem that most often it is the smaller stores that get looted because they can not afford the security measures of the large coorporations.
I would love to read statistics about this. Do you have any pointer I can read?
Criminal gangs do tend to take advantage of these situations and use it as cover. Same thing happened during the London riots.
Most protests was people walking, being happy, singing and talking. What everyone is talking i that 10% shit happening.
Please, be aware that most of the time people are peaceful. That what everyone have to stick in their brain.
That’s daytime protests
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God I hate how much news is just not shown here in the U.S… This and the recent No King protests are really only found in alternative places. I keep trying to explaining that marching isn’t enough, that it doesn’t generate enough fear/anxiety to make them want to change.
That previous “peaceful” protests like MLK’s had targeted strategies that disrupted life on purpose. And still had Malcolm X and the Black Panthers as the muscle of the movement.
We’re just not doing enough, and allies that are willing are just too far apart distance wise to properly coordinate without getting caught. And random acts of violence can be useful, but only if they are actually shocking enough and have follow up. Luigi enacted a small amount of change for a short amount of time. Companies were denying less for a solid year afterwards. The problem is that there wasn’t enough follow up. The violence wasn’t coordinated enough, or organized with a wider group so they could continue to lay on the fear.
We’re just too passive, too domesticated, and lack the will to properly organize. The only good news is Trump is making these points more salient as time goes on. Especially with his talk of interference, and using the national guard for voter intimidation. I believe the mid terms will be a breakpoint for many depending on how they go. Or I hope it will anyway, as nothing else has been enough so far.
Dude you are so fucking wrong. The point of the no kings protest is to organize people and encourage them to vote early for the election. It isn’t supposed to be a disruptive protest.
Maybe try getting off your ass and actually doing something instead of agitating for violence on lemmy like a terminally online weirdo.
my gut says people are avoiding giving trump the excuse of shutting down elections before midterms
after midterms my theory is things are gunna get ugly and all the people who want a show are gunna get one
I have to agree. The people I’ve organized with are also waiting to see how mid terms shake out.
Organized what? baking cookies and waltzing around downtown?
Guys, the blue pedo fascists might win, let’s not even do that walking downtown with gumption thing until after we know for a fact who our kings are. If it’s the guys we like, we can forget about the fact that we are getting raked over the coals by billionaires. Our walking cookiethons won’t be needed.
Same. Go out and vote and get ready for violence from the fascist dipshits.
Vive la Révolution
Police learning that they’re outnumbered and can’t dig it.
Love to see it!
It is better when they are concerned about beating the shit out of you. They are not soft when people is soft.
I wish No Kings protests in the US looked a little more like this. That’s fucking awesome.
If they did we’d lose the election in a heartbeat. You keyboard warriors who sit at home and do nothing but whine and criticize are the fucking worst.
In the US they would open fire and kill hundreds of protestors.
Yeah. It’s not like people don’t remember what happened in Kent State or the Coal mine protest. You can say all you want about the second amendment until you learn the concept of superior firepower.
Perhaps that’s exactly what it would take for some people to snap out of it.
I think in the US you would see this if people felt like they were choosing between dying and dying. If it was die in a riot or starve to death or die of exposure for example. Right now it’s suicide by cop or pretend everything is fine. I think if the US didn’t have insane violent thugs in surplus military gear driving armored vehicles as law enforcement you would see a lot more “action”. The math just doesn’t add up if you know acting this way will likely end up with you dying.
This is what the rest of the world doesn’t understand. It’s been demonstrated in history. Everyone thinks USA Mickey Mouse and Coka Cola! It’s more like the saw movies.
Yeah it’s not my fault I’m a coward, the rest of the world never had to fight in the face of death for their rights so they wouldn’t understand.
Huh actually they do understand seeing as most of them did have to do that.
It is all Mickey Mouse and Coca-Cola. And by that I mean they have you fat and distracted.
Speaking of Mickey Mouse go watch andor again and tell yourself how brave and righteous you were while you watched.
You’re not a coward. You probably never had a gun to your face or bled for six hours, talk about a roller coaster of thoughts.
They keep telling themselves it’s so much tougher to protest in America than it is for France. Whatever makes you feel better.
there aren’t quite enough politically motivated suicidal people for that to happen yet
Thats how change is made
Despite everyone saying they want to die on the internet they don’t actually want to die, hope this helps
Good
Go fuck yourself, those would be good people dying
Good people dying for a good cause. The US is catatonicly lumbering towards self destruction. One death won’t snap anyone out of it. Alex Pretti proved that. It’ll take hundreds of people slaughtered for the people to wake up. If the government doesn’t bury it like China does with Tiananmen Square.
If this was an american no kings protest, those cop cars would have been swerving to hit the protesters.
The cops would later say that the protesters stepped in front of their car, and would get no punishment.
Multiple attempts were filmed. At least one attempt by the “anti flony brigade” (“Brigade Anti Criminelle”, or “BAC”)
Don’t worry, French cops did it at least one time during the high schoolers protests we had the last few days/weeks. We are witnessing a very violent response from the police here in France (nothing close to what ICE is doing in the USA…yet)
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Why should these correlate?
It doesn’t show correlation. They’re probably making a point about priorities, because it shows more people attend furry conventions over the course of a year than ICE protests.
One of those is proven to be safe and the other is not
Absolutely correct. I made the graph out of a joke and did not expect the result. A lot of US people still believe that what they are doing is “heavily protesting the government”.
Its not correlation, it’s causation.
furries are the opiates of the masses
Oh I mean, If you wanna go back to BLM where Americans set fire and destroyed several businesses sure. People act like Americans have never destroyed property, the problem is that it wasn’t properly coordinated and people were burning down random fucking businesses rather than actual places that deserve it. All it lead to was food deserts and small businesses shuttering.
Never mind the fact that we could and would absolutely get shot for rolling up on a cop car like this but, sure man. I do love getting my daily reminder from non-US people that I should go outside and get myself killed today.
That’s not what I meant and I’m pretty sure you knew that
No, not really, and I mean that genuinely.
There are too many people on here that say shit like “You should firebomb a Walmart” and mean it with their whole heart. We already had that with the Kimberly-Clarke warehouse and we got diaper shortages. Firebombing a Walmart only hurts the locals in the area who won’t get food.
Even with bombing a police station, pray that locals actually care about each other and can respond to emergencies appropriately. I absolutely think police need reform but I’m not gonna sit here and go “I don’t need to call the cops if someone breaks into my house”
Firebombing a billionaires house? Absolutely, it hurts no one else but them (pray that no house workers are in there). Fireboming cop cars when they’re attacking protesters? Sure.
But people are fucking stupid. Luigi
shotdid nothing to that CEO and that’s great and all, but it didn’t change anything. Now we got a chucklefuck who shot a random pharmacist because “Big Pharma Bad.”I just think that too many people on here are encouraging senless violence rather than actual, planned, and carefully considerated operations. And i do not want to see innocents get caught up in brash, half-baked bouts of insanity because a person thought they were “helping.”
I absolutely think police need reform but I’m not gonna sit here and go “I don’t need to call the cops if someone breaks into my house”
There are entire communities, districts, and sometimes towns, where police on average poses bigger threat than any criminal ever would. Home invasion scenarios almost never happen, and on a rare occasion they do you can at least fight back. Meanwhile, police routinely enters homes, shoots nondiscriminatory, and if destroy people’s lives for nothing, and you can’t even do shit about it.
And that’s before we talk about when police actually tries to do their job, the fuck they gonna do with your twenty scallywags entering your abode, outline your dead body?You should firebomb a Walmart
I spend a lot of time on Lemmy and I haven’t seen a single person say that.
If I ever firebomb anything it will be a data center.
In Minecraft.
surely in minecraft
Lol you must be fortunate. I’ve seen bloodthirtsty maniacs foaming at the mouth in a thread about kittens.
Link?
Just give it a few days, it will happen again. And again.
Americans prioritize the flow of treats over any action that might hurt the oligarchy. Even if a warehouse was burned down by an organized revolutionary militia that was actively trying to bring about change, y’all would complain that you can’t get your 10-ply toilet paper.
Pretty sure they are focused on the cops there
I’m filled with joy
So the police aren’t completely militarized yet, like here.
In France one of the only groups, maybe the only? not allowed to unionize is the police
Not the police, as it is one the most unionized group of public servant workers in France, the biggest police union is called alliance, which is considered to be affiliated with the far right, and their spokespersons go bitching on tv like little crybabies every chance they get. The only group not allowed to unionized in France is historically military personnel, so maybe you’re thinking of the gendarmerie who are military and not cops even if most of what they do is cop things.
These cops, no. But these aren’t riot cops. Riot copsin France are legit monsters. Absolutely horrible.
Here in Bordeaux they just started gassing the legal movement super heavily, it was 100% peaceful (no shooting stuff or burning or even firecrackers) was moving for only 5 minutes (this is regular stuff, happens often). Old people, handicapped people, parents with strollers. My friend went to them (the riot police) and asked why they started to gas everyone and could they please let them (him) help people out (you get respiratory problems when you’re gassed, and people get disoriented, scared etc, people was on the floor, panicked), he got gassed.
So this seems to be a biig “blunder”, I mean if they don’t just not give a fuck, which they don’t. They don’t listen? Well then it’s french riot time I guess.
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Protest has always been the peaceful option. And governments somehow think it ends at the peaceful option.
Welp.
Do they murder people? Ours murder a lot of people.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/policekillings_total.html
Before clicking on that link, guess how many people in the US are killed by police each year. Remember, this includes justified/self-defense kills, not just bad shootings. In a large country with an armed populous.
How does the actual number compare to your guess?
Holy shit. I thought like 80 might be expected for a 350 million population
I thought they kill more, but only because of your comment, without that reminder I probably would assumed less, about two–three times less than the page shows
They do! Often.
I think they blew off a student’s hand.
The student picked up a stun grenade that had been thrown and it exploded in their hand.
He was 15.
However, regional newspaper La Voix Du Nord quoted a girl, who was reportedly standing near the teenager, as saying he did not pick up the grenade.
“He didn’t pick it up. I was there, I saw it. He didn’t pick it up, he didn’t catch it,” she was quoted as saying.
And
Last week, Eden, 14, was badly hurt in Saint-Ouen-l’Aumône after reportedly being struck in the head by a tear gas grenade.
The student suffered “a double jaw fracture” and had to undergo “extremely major surgery”, according to his lawyer. Interior Minister Laurent Nuñez has announced an investigation.
If he didn’t pick it up or catch it, how did it blow his hand off?
By exploding near or on his hand, numbnut. This isn’t rocket science. Maybe stop making excuses for violence
Yeah that’s the cops’ version. The students around said that they didn’t pick it up.
Also, even if they did… Are you saying that a kid was at fault for picking up explosives thrown at them? That the only problem in the story, is that he grabbed it, otherwise everything else was fine?
What the fuck.
I completely agree that explosives should not be used against protestors.
Still, I fail to see how a stun grenade can blow your hand off if it’s not in your hand.
That’s because you think a stun grenade’s only job is that it stuns, just like that.
It’s a grenade. It explodes. That’s how it can blow off a hand if it hits one.
if they did pick it up, why so?, this is not fucking COD where you just throw back granades, at most daring you should kick them, always run from them instead
It’s a kid. Do you really expect a kid to know what to do when having grenades thrown at them?
They are already fucking smarter than most of the population that just sits on their assss waiting for the world to collapse, but on top of that you expect them to have a proper rational immediate reaction when faced with military equipment?
Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops’ version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie (we’re talking about french cops, who rape a guy that they arrested in their car with their baton, enough to cause internal damage, and their version is that he fell on it. And yes, nothing happened to the cops), so it’s extremely moronic to even debate about the rightfulness of grabbing a grenade in this situation, since it just plays in the narrative of the fascists that try to shut down the protests by all means.
Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops’ version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie
I mean yes, the cops lie a lot, but if the kid didn’t have the grenade in his hand, it seems implausible for it to have blown his hand off.
Students around testified that the grenade landed in his hand. Also, it doesn’t matter whether he grabbed it or not.
Yup, agreed, same French cops that:
- Count their self-inflicted injuries as injuries inflicted by their “suspect” (target).
- Don’t follow most laws and rules about weapon usage, about arrest procedure, about state neutrality, about non-discrimination, rape, etc
- Cover their violent colleagues up.
- Threaten a young driver (of color, of course) with “I will blow your head off”, while pointing their gun directly to the target’s head. Then, when the target drives away to flee, the cop successfully shoots to kill. The whole police institution defend the murderer citing a recent law that in effect extend the legitimate cases for the use of (lethal) force by police to “suspect” that would “probably” harm others while fleeing. (preventive defensive violence… reminds me of something). Some people even donated moreqthan a million euros to said cop to pay for his legal proceedings. The murder was filmed, and the video shared day one, disproving the police lies about the murder from the start.
- Confiscate protests signs that don’t please them enough.
- Consider police violence and abuses as insignificant, always justified and proportionnate, then treat graffitis and stickers from protesters as violent crimes.
- Sometimes beat up random people carrying palestinian flags in protests.
- Throw projectiles (I guess grenades, from the impact sound) from behind the protester lines, probably to trigger their colleagues charge. (And deny doing so when they’re caught red-handed by an elected official.)
- Are fully armored in protests, get collectively knocked down with some serious injuries by their weapon mishandling, but still use these weapons on civilians in plain clothes, directly aiming at them.
- etc
Our (french) police intitutions are authoritarian, lethally violent, lying. Our ministers too, since they publicly defend and encourage these intitutions crimes.
I’m not sure they are saying it’s fine otherwise. But that aside I wonder what would be an outcry if the grenade got back to the police and blown near some cop
The same police already sued the government a few days ago, accusing it of endangering them by giving them confusing orders against the terrifying hordes of evil, violent, uncontrollable kids.
So yeah, if a cop got injured like that they would already be taking out the tanks in the street at this point.
And then they get shocked when things get more violent, yet they’re the ones setting the tone.
So, a cop threw a stun grenade that blew off a student’s hand. Ergo, a cop blew off a student’s hand.
That’s a misrepresentation.
Whether or not you want to hold the cop responsible is irrelevant.
“a cop blew off a students hand” is intentionally omitting critical information.
Cops shouldn’t have access to anything that could potentially blow off a person’s hand, especially not a thing made to be used in public.
Again, that’s irrelevant.
I don’t really disagree, this is not a conversation about how police should be armed.
If you’re trying to describe the event, “a cop blew off a students hand” is very obviously a misrepresentation.
You’re welcome to make a case that the cop shouldn’t have been there or shouldn’t have been armed, but “a cop blew off a students hand” does not describe what happened.
Was the stun grenade required?
If it was not thrown, would it have been there for someone to pick up in an attempt to throw it and protect those around them?
They could…like…just pay teachers more. No stun grenades needed to be used on unarmed civilians.
Yeah I’m sure the cop thought “I wouldn’t have to do this shit if they payed teachers more” right before he threw the grenade.
That’s not what I’m saying. The cop didn’t give a shit. He was just taking orders.
“They” are the people in power.
None of that is relevant to the question of whether the statement “a cop blew off a students hand” accurately describes the event.
You’re very obviously omitting key details with intent to mislead and it just undermines your position.
I’m literally adding details.
You’re obfuscating and attempting to only follow a very direct throughline. I’m saying to hold the further removed layers accountable.
What you’re doing is essentially saying that the actions and choices of the wealthy elites and legislators is not violence on us simply because they didn’t pull the trigger themselves.
Wage theft is violence. Healthcare denials are violence. Excessive police force is absolutely violence. And it all could’ve been avoided.
So yes, the officer that threw the grenade is responsible. The chief of police who ordered them to carry such excessive force for unarmed civilians is responsible. The administration of the school who steal wages, overcharge students, and diminish their educations to turn a larger profit are responsible. The legislators and executives who refuse to protect the people and bend to the whims of the wealthy and allow the situation to continue while they often collect more wealth themselves are responsible.
So, kindly, stfu if you’re blaming a person trying to protect others for the insurmountable harm the system puts us all through. Wake the fuck up. The people you’re defending would just as easily throw stun grenades your way without a second thought.
I threw a molotov at you, and you didn’t get out of the way correctly. You being on fire is your fault.
Get fucked.
Well, my being on fire would certainly be my fault if I had tried to pick up the fire.
If a guy sets a building on fire, and a fireman goes inside to save someone but then dies in the flames, you couldn’t say that the first guy burned a fireman alive.
At this rate, they will be
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Him, his family, everyone who donated over 10k in the last election to Republicans, anyone who donated to his ballroom fund and anyone he appointed to any government position need to be executed outright.
All this bullshit about reforming/expanding the supreme Court is entirely unnecessary. Nothing that Trump has done is legitimate. Just retcon all of his actions since 2016. His SC judges? Yeah they’re gone, straight to a military tribunal. The next president will get to nominate at least 3 new SC judges, and every case since a Trump nominee hit the court will need to be re-done. Same with his cereal judge nominations. Fox News will lose it’s broadcast license along with other foreign owned media companies that have conspired to subvert our democracy.
If there’s any pushback, open the net. People that donated 5k or more, federal prison. All Republicans house/Senate members? Fucking dead.
If they bitch, open it up more, their kids will have all assets seized, etc.
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it’s cool they’re destroying stuff to get educated better
i wonder if these guys will pass those courses they so desperately want
I don’t think Americans can really throw any shade on anyone about how to protest.
Violent protests would be extremely counterproductive in the US right now. If you really believe otherwise then you need to step away from the Internet for a while, because you are totally delusional.
False dichotomy.
This is kind of a dumb statement. The French also protested and destroyed a bunch of shit when the government raised the retirement age.
Guess what happened?
If you guessed the government raised the retirement age you would be right. So what does rioting and destroying a bunch of shit accomplish in France. If you answered nothing much you would be correct.
You have heard of that demonstration, and not of the (LOT of) other one. So it’s a necessary mean. And you may be surprised that it have work in the past. Not always, but CEO whining for the destruction to stop have more chance than union asking politely to not be threaten by their workplaces
It’s not the demonstrators, it’s the usual bunch of idiots that use that excuse to break stuff and pillage shops. It’s become pretty much systematic.
Our police have low end military equipment, that’s about it. Being militarized means not having fat lazy 40-60 year olds on the force, and America sure as shit ain’t there yet.
Our police love the optics of having military gear, but quite frankly they aren’t trained and versed on military tactics, discipline, or a number of other things that would make them effective. That’s why when there’s a real problem like a school shooting or hostage situation they just stand around sucking each other off while wearing body army and holding $1500 AR’s. They’re just security theater. They care about getting easy overtime. They want to go home at the end of the day. They don’t want to die violently. They are paper tigers.
The best part is that when one dies or quits, they have to hire a replacement. It would be fairly easy to create a scenario where a PD NEEDS to hire new officers ASAP, then you flood then with Manchurian applicants. Get your man inside, then you’re golden.
Our police love the optics of having military gear, but quite frankly they aren’t trained and versed on military tactics, discipline, or a number of other things that would make them effective. That’s why when there’s a real problem like a school shooting or hostage situation they just stand around sucking each other off while wearing body army and holding $1500 AR’s. They’re just security theater. They care about getting easy overtime. They want to go home at the end of the day. They don’t want to die violently. They are paper tigers.
Weird, that perfectly describes the cops in the US.
Oh and militarized just means giving the cops military equipment, mostly armored vehicles and projectile launchers that wouldn’t normally be used in civilian work. Police are civilians, and I think they understand that in France better than anywhere, because you don’t allow them military vehicles and gear to fight the populace. Unfortunately, no other country got the message. We give MRAPS to our thugs with badges. It’s hard to fight back, even when you have pistols, shotguns, and rifles, when the thugs with badges have crowd control weapons. Sonic inhibitors, UV dispersal units, and lethal options like their standard issue AR-15.
I dunno where the fuck you’re from but American cops definitely aren’t fat 40-60 year old slobs. That’s one of the things that is so dangerous about them, they’re young dudes with a chip on their shoulder and shit to prove (and now let just ICE, they’re the bottom of the barrel but they’re hadly an exception)
Now if you’re from a rich community where everyone has gates and private patrols then yeah maybe it’s all fat old cops collecting a check where nothing happens because they roll out the SWAT team when people from “those other neighborhoods” get near, yeah maybe I see where the idea comes from
You can’t speak for the entire US dude. The cops in rural areas definitely are fat 40-60 year old guys. Still got an AR in the trunk tho.
And of course, the post is full of Americans trying to justify shit.
Of course it is. And per usual they know about fuck all what’s actually going on
Anyone pulling any sort of direct comparison here is being obtuse.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/policekillings_total.html
For those that don’t click the above link, you gotta at least see this…
LATAM excluded, probably because they only have estimates, we have lost the count
In their case it could just as easily be organized crime.
The French are fucking legit. We need that energy in the US. I mean, it’s much easier to organize and meet in city centers in France than in the US, but if you can get 2000 dedicated and coordinated people to split into groups of around 500 and cause chaos simultaneously in any large city you’ll overwhelm the local police, national guard, whoever they decide to call in. Plus a group of organized patriots could easily disperse and blend back into the crowd if needed, then re-convene, regroup, and hit them where they ain’t. I mean FFS there’s a national guard armory a few miles from me with hummers, apc’s, a few tanks, and all sorts of sweet military gear. At any given time there’s probably 30 people or less on site guarding things, and they don’t really wanna die. There’s a single chain link fence with some cantina wire keeping people out. A car or a pair of bolt cutters will take care of that. You show up with a few hundred armed civilians, smoke the hell out of the place, cut power lines to the armory, and let them know they can either hand over the keys, disarm, and leave, or they’ll be burned down with the building they’re in.
Most military vehicles don’t even have keys. If you get thru the fence and can open the door/hatch, it’s yours.
2000? more like 10k
This is amazing.
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No, Paris.
Nice
No, it’s Paris
Nice
Argue all you want, it does restore a little of my faith in Le Mans.
We all know American cops are fucking pigs and may kill you just because, we’ve seen the videos. We also saw footage of one guy taking care of the CEO of not a minor healthcare insurance company, with a printed gun, iirc. Shit is crazy, and that’s precisely why people must do something else than well-behaved protests. Nonviolent protests can be way more effective if planned correctly. Think about the Hormuz blockade, it’s not a bloodbath there, but it is hell for the USA allies. Cops aren’t the problem, you do not need to literally fight them to change shit.
The pretty thing of this video is that people is sending a clear message to the State, and probably, the government of France will change its stances.
Yeah cops are literally the problem. Their “job” is to protect the system and the status quo and the interests of the rich and powerful
