Yes, we already know you don’t have an argument so you resort to silly insults that amount to lies and then a generous amount of whataboutism. I am not surprised.
Edit: for clarity I will gladly condem the US. I have studied human rights most of my life and the US is the greatest offender in my eyes.
I am very glad cooler heads prevailed.
Do you not know there are non-combat positions!?
We already know these weapons end up on both sides of conflicts. You are either ignorant or being disingenuous. If it is the former, here is an article.
https://www.btl-research.com/p/chinese-weapons-on-both-sides-of
Due to the way proliferation of arms works you can never ensure your weapons of destruction end up in the right hands, plus you are making a moral decision by deciding which group to arm to begin with. Even if we did give the Chinese MIC the benefit of the doubt they are still aware that they have inadvertently armed both sides.
I don’t buy it as in it is objectively wrong and more disgusting acts of imperialism. You hand wave the civilian death away because you don’t care.
You don’t get to choose the argument. I have presented my belief and the facts that are not debatable.
borcsrt the terms. Because you lack humanity . You are simply wrong in my eyes and that is okay.
You are simply defending the military industrial complex’s killing of civilians for profit. China is now the world’s fourth largest arms supplier by most measures.
The fact that China’s government has compete ownership is even more damning than a government not properly regulating a private defense contractor. At least then they could claim some ignorance to the consequences of arms proliferation.
I find your argument that China sells arms for the right reason both spurious and ideologically driven. It is not what is happening. What is happening is a corporation is making profit off of human death.
I get that you don’t care. You have a million excuses and frankly I am not buying it.
Fact, Chinese military industrial complex companies are selling arms to Africa.
You are calling me an apologist… Because I hate the military industrial complex’s business model that grows based on human suffering!? Profits for death.
Let’s turn this around. Why do you defend this practice. How do you rationalize arming people and the resulting civilian death.
This is exactly what the US is doing in Palestine by supplying weapons to Israel. This is exactly what Russia has done in Africa. These countries are playing a bullshit game of imperialism causing untold suffering.
But if China does it, it is okay and we can’t criticize them!? This is what I mean by disingenuous. This is not about idealism. It is about right and wrong and apparently your denialism.
You mean I respect human rights and recognize China along with other countries violate them constantly.
At this point this is a corporation in China selling death and destruction to Africa for profit. How about you take some responsibility instead of being a apologist for human rights abuses.
That is not what I said at all. My point was these human beings are being put under an enormous amount of stress which lead to this unnecessary escalation.
Your hand waving of their industrial military complex selling weapons being used by both sides in Africa to kill civilians is disgusting and they should be ashamed of their actions. It is a disgusting example of imperialism.
The US and Russia have and still do this and it is wrong as well. No doubt that it is a violation of human rights.
I already explained my position and I am not your made up boogeyman. I have legitimate criticism you can’t handle, you should go away since you cannot be civil.
I have done nothing of the sort. Take your rude accusation elsewhere. You are acting like troll, it is disgusting.
You are rude and disingenuous.
China attacked, that is how you become the aggressor. Stop being silly.
Territorial disputes can and are dealt with diplomatically. Why did these people have to die? What made them become violent? Clearly they are under enormous pressure. Pretty disgusting result and shows all is not well.
Whatever you say to make it okay.
Hey, I totally get you are on China’s side, but denying they were the aggressor is a little pathetic.
Stop trying to fabricate a military action. It is silly, why do you think they fought with clubs. Denialism doesn’t look good. Also they did have arms, but they were not armed with guns initially because it was never a combat operation.
The point doesn’t stand? Are you providing evidence China has dropped bombs in the last fifty years. I am all ears.
I do take offense with your hand waving away China providing arms through their industrial military complex. These weapons frequently end up on both sides of a conflict and cause needless destruction and suffering.
Also the optics of doing this in Africa are disturbing to say the least. It would almost be better if they were directly selling weapon system to Russia instead of just clandestinely providing Intel, logistics, troops, training, etc. Then it would at least look like they were impartially providing weapons of destruction used to kill civilians.
Pretending this is merely a battle over imperialist nations is a disservice to what is really going on. Pretending China is not engaging in imperialist behavior by being an arms dealer is also disingenuous.
There is no doubt the the US is the most destructive nation in history and has corrupted the entire world including China. This is reality.
I appreciate your recognition that there is no need for escalation. Truly India and China are some of the more traditionally peaceful nations and due to smart negotiations limited their militarization of the border. What is disturbing is what happened. How much stress these humans must be put through to cause this behavior.
it is clear to me China is turning into a destructive force with their proliferation of their military industrial complex. This isn’t the West versus the East or the global North versus the South this is simply a corporation making money from human suffering.
Found another one.
China was of course the aggressor and the lack of arms pretty much discounts this as military action. These were the equivalent of army engineers, not soldiers.
Once again the points stands, China has not dropped a single bomb in fifty years. Of course they have supplied plenty of bombs that were used to kill people, but I digress.
Beating each other to death with clubs makes this all better you see.
I could only imagine the massacre if the US would have been involved, thank goodness they were not.
Whatever you need to tell yourself sir. Peace be with you.
Attacking road builders isn’t a war crime!?
Found the War Crime apologist.
Only 12 people murdered? How did you come up with this number. Do you think their wives and children were cool with their fathers being murdered?
Another human rights abuser identified.
It was not violence as I am explaining to you. The violence was always directed at the workers. If the workers did engage in violence they were either tried and sentenced to death or prison. Most of the time they were just killed.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/theminewars-labor-wars-us/
Calling out actions that causes human suffering could be considered evil I am sure. But only for people who would act like bootlickers to nations and corporations.
Do I condemn other nations for doing the same things? Yes, of course. You are clearly out if your league living out some campist fantasy. I have no dogs in this fight and I am most critical of the country I am from since I know it the best.
What does labor unions have to do with this discussion. You are pretty far off the topic unless you can explain your reasoning.
I can see that the term whataboutism is triggering you. I will refrain from using this loaded language in the future.