You’re obfuscating and attempting to only follow a very direct throughline. I’m saying to hold the further removed layers accountable.
What you’re doing is essentially saying that the actions and choices of the wealthy elites and legislators is not violence on us simply because they didn’t pull the trigger themselves.
Wage theft is violence. Healthcare denials are violence. Excessive police force is absolutely violence. And it all could’ve been avoided.
So yes, the officer that threw the grenade is responsible. The chief of police who ordered them to carry such excessive force for unarmed civilians is responsible. The administration of the school who steal wages, overcharge students, and diminish their educations to turn a larger profit are responsible. The legislators and executives who refuse to protect the people and bend to the whims of the wealthy and allow the situation to continue while they often collect more wealth themselves are responsible.
So, kindly, stfu if you’re blaming a person trying to protect others for the insurmountable harm the system puts us all through. Wake the fuck up. The people you’re defending would just as easily throw stun grenades your way without a second thought.
If instead the person had jumped on the stun grenade to protect others, would you still have a problem with people saying “a cop blew out a students stomach” not be accurate enough for you?
Theyre functionally the same thing. The cop is the reason why the student is now maimed. Saying that’s inaccurate only makes you look like you’re defending their actions, and are instead blaming the victim.
Sure, if the student intended to harm the cop, and slipped it directly under his foot when he went to step. That would be a fair equivalent, and I would say yeah, the student is in the wrong.
You can’t throw something intended to harm others, and then cry fowl. The cop is the reason that students hand is gone. No clue why you would say otherwise, except tovictim blame.
Hyperbole? It’s our lived reality. Policy choices literally kill us, my friends and family are struggling to put food on the table after working hard their entire lives. What kind of elitist “political discourse” bs is this? You have no response, you can’t refute it, and instead try to insultand call it absurd. I’d say the rise of the far right is absurd. It doesn’t mean it’s not happening all around the world currently.
I’m wasting my time. Someone so propagandized will continue to ignore the harm in front of them and dismiss the actions taken by those fighting for others and lift up those fighting for the state.
Describing the occurrence as a cop blowing a students hand off is absolutely hyperbole. Are you really going to pretend that’s an objective description of what happened?
I don’t really disagree, this is not a conversation about how police should be armed.
If you’re trying to describe the event, “a cop blew off a students hand” is very obviously a misrepresentation.
You’re welcome to make a case that the cop shouldn’t have been there or shouldn’t have been armed, but “a cop blew off a students hand” does not describe what happened.
If a guy sets a building on fire, and a fireman goes inside to save someone but then dies in the flames, you couldn’t say that the first guy burned a fireman alive.
So, a cop threw a stun grenade that blew off a student’s hand. Ergo, a cop blew off a student’s hand.
That’s a misrepresentation.
Whether or not you want to hold the cop responsible is irrelevant.
“a cop blew off a students hand” is intentionally omitting critical information.
Was the stun grenade required?
If it was not thrown, would it have been there for someone to pick up in an attempt to throw it and protect those around them?
They could…like…just pay teachers more. No stun grenades needed to be used on unarmed civilians.
Yeah I’m sure the cop thought “I wouldn’t have to do this shit if they payed teachers more” right before he threw the grenade.
That’s not what I’m saying. The cop didn’t give a shit. He was just taking orders.
“They” are the people in power.
“just taking orders”
So, yeah. Cop blew off a kid’s hand. Someone not-a-cop would take responsibility for this. I’ll leave the nuance to the lawyers.
None of that is relevant to the question of whether the statement “a cop blew off a students hand” accurately describes the event.
You’re very obviously omitting key details with intent to mislead and it just undermines your position.
I’m literally adding details.
You’re obfuscating and attempting to only follow a very direct throughline. I’m saying to hold the further removed layers accountable.
What you’re doing is essentially saying that the actions and choices of the wealthy elites and legislators is not violence on us simply because they didn’t pull the trigger themselves.
Wage theft is violence. Healthcare denials are violence. Excessive police force is absolutely violence. And it all could’ve been avoided.
So yes, the officer that threw the grenade is responsible. The chief of police who ordered them to carry such excessive force for unarmed civilians is responsible. The administration of the school who steal wages, overcharge students, and diminish their educations to turn a larger profit are responsible. The legislators and executives who refuse to protect the people and bend to the whims of the wealthy and allow the situation to continue while they often collect more wealth themselves are responsible.
So, kindly, stfu if you’re blaming a person trying to protect others for the insurmountable harm the system puts us all through. Wake the fuck up. The people you’re defending would just as easily throw stun grenades your way without a second thought.
Oh please. I’m not defending anyone. I’m just pointing out the absurdity of your statement.
This kind of hyperbole might impress 16 year olds but in political discourse you just seem like an idiot.
If instead the person had jumped on the stun grenade to protect others, would you still have a problem with people saying “a cop blew out a students stomach” not be accurate enough for you?
Theyre functionally the same thing. The cop is the reason why the student is now maimed. Saying that’s inaccurate only makes you look like you’re defending their actions, and are instead blaming the victim.
Suppose a cop tripped over a students water bottle, hit his head on the ground and died. Did the student murder that cop?
Sure, if the student intended to harm the cop, and slipped it directly under his foot when he went to step. That would be a fair equivalent, and I would say yeah, the student is in the wrong.
You can’t throw something intended to harm others, and then cry fowl. The cop is the reason that students hand is gone. No clue why you would say otherwise, except tovictim blame.
Hyperbole? It’s our lived reality. Policy choices literally kill us, my friends and family are struggling to put food on the table after working hard their entire lives. What kind of elitist “political discourse” bs is this? You have no response, you can’t refute it, and instead try to insultand call it absurd. I’d say the rise of the far right is absurd. It doesn’t mean it’s not happening all around the world currently.
I’m wasting my time. Someone so propagandized will continue to ignore the harm in front of them and dismiss the actions taken by those fighting for others and lift up those fighting for the state.
Describing the occurrence as a cop blowing a students hand off is absolutely hyperbole. Are you really going to pretend that’s an objective description of what happened?
Cops shouldn’t have access to anything that could potentially blow off a person’s hand, especially not a thing made to be used in public.
Again, that’s irrelevant.
I don’t really disagree, this is not a conversation about how police should be armed.
If you’re trying to describe the event, “a cop blew off a students hand” is very obviously a misrepresentation.
You’re welcome to make a case that the cop shouldn’t have been there or shouldn’t have been armed, but “a cop blew off a students hand” does not describe what happened.
I threw a molotov at you, and you didn’t get out of the way correctly. You being on fire is your fault.
Get fucked.
Well, my being on fire would certainly be my fault if I had tried to pick up the fire.
If a guy sets a building on fire, and a fireman goes inside to save someone but then dies in the flames, you couldn’t say that the first guy burned a fireman alive.