Not the police, as it is one the most unionized group of public servant workers in France, the biggest police union is called alliance, which is considered to be affiliated with the far right, and their spokespersons go bitching on tv like little crybabies every chance they get.
The only group not allowed to unionized in France is historically military personnel, so maybe you’re thinking of the gendarmerie who are military and not cops even if most of what they do is cop things.
Here in Bordeaux they just started gassing the legal movement super heavily, it was 100% peaceful (no shooting stuff or burning or even firecrackers) was moving for only 5 minutes (this is regular stuff, happens often). Old people, handicapped people, parents with strollers. My friend went to them (the riot police) and asked why they started to gas everyone and could they please let them (him) help people out (you get respiratory problems when you’re gassed, and people get disoriented, scared etc, people was on the floor, panicked), he got gassed.
So this seems to be a biig “blunder”, I mean if they don’t just not give a fuck, which they don’t. They don’t listen? Well then it’s french riot time I guess.
Before clicking on that link, guess how many people in the US are killed by police each year. Remember, this includes justified/self-defense kills, not just bad shootings. In a large country with an armed populous.
I thought they kill more, but only because of your comment, without that reminder I probably would assumed less, about two–three times less than the page shows
However, regional newspaper La Voix Du Nord quoted a girl, who was reportedly standing near the teenager, as saying he did not pick up the grenade.
“He didn’t pick it up. I was there, I saw it. He didn’t pick it up, he didn’t catch it,” she was quoted as saying.
And
Last week, Eden, 14, was badly hurt in Saint-Ouen-l’Aumône after reportedly being struck in the head by a tear gas grenade.
The student suffered “a double jaw fracture” and had to undergo “extremely major surgery”, according to his lawyer. Interior Minister Laurent Nuñez has announced an investigation.
Yeah that’s the cops’ version. The students around said that they didn’t pick it up.
Also, even if they did… Are you saying that a kid was at fault for picking up explosives thrown at them? That the only problem in the story, is that he grabbed it, otherwise everything else was fine?
if they did pick it up, why so?, this is not fucking COD where you just throw back granades, at most daring you should kick them, always run from them instead
It’s a kid. Do you really expect a kid to know what to do when having grenades thrown at them?
They are already fucking smarter than most of the population that just sits on their assss waiting for the world to collapse, but on top of that you expect them to have a proper rational immediate reaction when faced with military equipment?
Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops’ version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie (we’re talking about french cops, who rape a guy that they arrested in their car with their baton, enough to cause internal damage, and their version is that he fell on it. And yes, nothing happened to the cops), so it’s extremely moronic to even debate about the rightfulness of grabbing a grenade in this situation, since it just plays in the narrative of the fascists that try to shut down the protests by all means.
Count their self-inflicted injuries as injuries inflicted by their “suspect” (target).
Don’t follow most laws and rules about weapon usage, about arrest procedure, about state neutrality, about non-discrimination, rape, etc
Cover their violent colleagues up.
Threaten a young driver (of color, of course) with “I will blow your head off”, while pointing their gun directly to the target’s head. Then, when the target drives away to flee, the cop successfully shoots to kill. The whole police institution defend the murderer citing a recent law that in effect extend the legitimate cases for the use of (lethal) force by police to “suspect” that would “probably” harm others while fleeing. (preventive defensive violence… reminds me of something). Some people even donated moreqthan a million euros to said cop to pay for his legal proceedings. The murder was filmed, and the video shared day one, disproving the police lies about the murder from the start.
Confiscate protests signs that don’t please them enough.
Consider police violence and abuses as insignificant, always justified and proportionnate, then treat graffitis and stickers from protesters as violent crimes.
Sometimes beat up random people carrying palestinian flags in protests.
Throw projectiles (I guess grenades, from the impact sound) from behind the protester lines, probably to trigger their colleagues charge. (And deny doing so when they’re caught red-handed by an elected official.)
Are fully armored in protests, get collectively knocked down with some serious injuries by their weapon mishandling, but still use these weapons on civilians in plain clothes, directly aiming at them.
etc
Our (french) police intitutions are authoritarian, lethally violent, lying. Our ministers too, since they publicly defend and encourage these intitutions crimes.
I’m not sure they are saying it’s fine otherwise. But that aside I wonder what would be an outcry if the grenade got back to the police and blown near some cop
The same police already sued the government a few days ago, accusing it of endangering them by giving them confusing orders against the terrifying hordes of evil, violent, uncontrollable kids.
So yeah, if a cop got injured like that they would already be taking out the tanks in the street at this point.
And then they get shocked when things get more violent, yet they’re the ones setting the tone.
You’re obfuscating and attempting to only follow a very direct throughline. I’m saying to hold the further removed layers accountable.
What you’re doing is essentially saying that the actions and choices of the wealthy elites and legislators is not violence on us simply because they didn’t pull the trigger themselves.
Wage theft is violence. Healthcare denials are violence. Excessive police force is absolutely violence. And it all could’ve been avoided.
So yes, the officer that threw the grenade is responsible. The chief of police who ordered them to carry such excessive force for unarmed civilians is responsible. The administration of the school who steal wages, overcharge students, and diminish their educations to turn a larger profit are responsible. The legislators and executives who refuse to protect the people and bend to the whims of the wealthy and allow the situation to continue while they often collect more wealth themselves are responsible.
So, kindly, stfu if you’re blaming a person trying to protect others for the insurmountable harm the system puts us all through. Wake the fuck up. The people you’re defending would just as easily throw stun grenades your way without a second thought.
I don’t really disagree, this is not a conversation about how police should be armed.
If you’re trying to describe the event, “a cop blew off a students hand” is very obviously a misrepresentation.
You’re welcome to make a case that the cop shouldn’t have been there or shouldn’t have been armed, but “a cop blew off a students hand” does not describe what happened.
If a guy sets a building on fire, and a fireman goes inside to save someone but then dies in the flames, you couldn’t say that the first guy burned a fireman alive.
Him, his family, everyone who donated over 10k in the last election to Republicans, anyone who donated to his ballroom fund and anyone he appointed to any government position need to be executed outright.
All this bullshit about reforming/expanding the supreme Court is entirely unnecessary. Nothing that Trump has done is legitimate. Just retcon all of his actions since 2016. His SC judges? Yeah they’re gone, straight to a military tribunal. The next president will get to nominate at least 3 new SC judges, and every case since a Trump nominee hit the court will need to be re-done. Same with his cereal judge nominations. Fox News will lose it’s broadcast license along with other foreign owned media companies that have conspired to subvert our democracy.
If there’s any pushback, open the net. People that donated 5k or more, federal prison. All Republicans house/Senate members? Fucking dead.
If they bitch, open it up more, their kids will have all assets seized, etc.
Violent protests would be extremely counterproductive in the US right now. If you really believe otherwise then you need to step away from the Internet for a while, because you are totally delusional.
This is kind of a dumb statement. The French also protested and destroyed a bunch of shit when the government raised the retirement age.
Guess what happened?
If you guessed the government raised the retirement age you would be right. So what does rioting and destroying a bunch of shit accomplish in France. If you answered nothing much you would be correct.
You have heard of that demonstration, and not of the (LOT of) other one. So it’s a necessary mean.
And you may be surprised that it have work in the past. Not always, but CEO whining for the destruction to stop have more chance than union asking politely to not be threaten by their workplaces
Our police have low end military equipment, that’s about it. Being militarized means not having fat lazy 40-60 year olds on the force, and America sure as shit ain’t there yet.
Our police love the optics of having military gear, but quite frankly they aren’t trained and versed on military tactics, discipline, or a number of other things that would make them effective. That’s why when there’s a real problem like a school shooting or hostage situation they just stand around sucking each other off while wearing body army and holding $1500 AR’s. They’re just security theater. They care about getting easy overtime. They want to go home at the end of the day. They don’t want to die violently. They are paper tigers.
The best part is that when one dies or quits, they have to hire a replacement. It would be fairly easy to create a scenario where a PD NEEDS to hire new officers ASAP, then you flood then with Manchurian applicants. Get your man inside, then you’re golden.
Our police love the optics of having military gear, but quite frankly they aren’t trained and versed on military tactics, discipline, or a number of other things that would make them effective. That’s why when there’s a real problem like a school shooting or hostage situation they just stand around sucking each other off while wearing body army and holding $1500 AR’s. They’re just security theater. They care about getting easy overtime. They want to go home at the end of the day. They don’t want to die violently. They are paper tigers.
Weird, that perfectly describes the cops in the US.
Oh and militarized just means giving the cops military equipment, mostly armored vehicles and projectile launchers that wouldn’t normally be used in civilian work. Police are civilians, and I think they understand that in France better than anywhere, because you don’t allow them military vehicles and gear to fight the populace. Unfortunately, no other country got the message. We give MRAPS to our thugs with badges. It’s hard to fight back, even when you have pistols, shotguns, and rifles, when the thugs with badges have crowd control weapons. Sonic inhibitors, UV dispersal units, and lethal options like their standard issue AR-15.
I dunno where the fuck you’re from but American cops definitely aren’t fat 40-60 year old slobs.
That’s one of the things that is so dangerous about them, they’re young dudes with a chip on their shoulder and shit to prove (and now let just ICE, they’re the bottom of the barrel but they’re hadly an exception)
Now if you’re from a rich community where everyone has gates and private patrols then yeah maybe it’s all fat old cops collecting a check where nothing happens because they roll out the SWAT team when people from “those other neighborhoods” get near, yeah maybe I see where the idea comes from
So the police aren’t completely militarized yet, like here.
In France one of the only groups, maybe the only? not allowed to unionize is the police
Not the police, as it is one the most unionized group of public servant workers in France, the biggest police union is called alliance, which is considered to be affiliated with the far right, and their spokespersons go bitching on tv like little crybabies every chance they get. The only group not allowed to unionized in France is historically military personnel, so maybe you’re thinking of the gendarmerie who are military and not cops even if most of what they do is cop things.
These cops, no. But these aren’t riot cops. Riot copsin France are legit monsters. Absolutely horrible.
Here in Bordeaux they just started gassing the legal movement super heavily, it was 100% peaceful (no shooting stuff or burning or even firecrackers) was moving for only 5 minutes (this is regular stuff, happens often). Old people, handicapped people, parents with strollers. My friend went to them (the riot police) and asked why they started to gas everyone and could they please let them (him) help people out (you get respiratory problems when you’re gassed, and people get disoriented, scared etc, people was on the floor, panicked), he got gassed.
So this seems to be a biig “blunder”, I mean if they don’t just not give a fuck, which they don’t. They don’t listen? Well then it’s french riot time I guess.
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Protest has always been the peaceful option. And governments somehow think it ends at the peaceful option.
Welp.
Do they murder people? Ours murder a lot of people.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/policekillings_total.html
China isn’t listed, but we couldn’t get reliable numbers from them anyway. China counts as a “wealthy” nation, no doubt. Also, France isn’t listed.
I suspect the U.S. number is too low, as well. We all know our cops cover for each other and lie constantly.
Before clicking on that link, guess how many people in the US are killed by police each year. Remember, this includes justified/self-defense kills, not just bad shootings. In a large country with an armed populous.
How does the actual number compare to your guess?
Holy shit. I thought like 80 might be expected for a 350 million population
I thought they kill more, but only because of your comment, without that reminder I probably would assumed less, about two–three times less than the page shows
They do! Often.
I think they blew off a student’s hand.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-protests-student-hand-grenade-injury-b3061463.html
The student picked up a stun grenade that had been thrown and it exploded in their hand.
He was 15.
And
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9zrdmxp4vy6o
If he didn’t pick it up or catch it, how did it blow his hand off?
Have you considered a career in journalism?
By exploding near or on his hand, numbnut. This isn’t rocket science. Maybe stop making excuses for violence
Yeah that’s the cops’ version. The students around said that they didn’t pick it up.
Also, even if they did… Are you saying that a kid was at fault for picking up explosives thrown at them? That the only problem in the story, is that he grabbed it, otherwise everything else was fine?
What the fuck.
I completely agree that explosives should not be used against protestors.
Still, I fail to see how a stun grenade can blow your hand off if it’s not in your hand.
That’s because you think a stun grenade’s only job is that it stuns, just like that.
It’s a grenade. It explodes. That’s how it can blow off a hand if it hits one.
if they did pick it up, why so?, this is not fucking COD where you just throw back granades, at most daring you should kick them, always run from them instead
It’s a kid. Do you really expect a kid to know what to do when having grenades thrown at them?
They are already fucking smarter than most of the population that just sits on their assss waiting for the world to collapse, but on top of that you expect them to have a proper rational immediate reaction when faced with military equipment?
Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops’ version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie (we’re talking about french cops, who rape a guy that they arrested in their car with their baton, enough to cause internal damage, and their version is that he fell on it. And yes, nothing happened to the cops), so it’s extremely moronic to even debate about the rightfulness of grabbing a grenade in this situation, since it just plays in the narrative of the fascists that try to shut down the protests by all means.
Yup, agreed, same French cops that:
Our (french) police intitutions are authoritarian, lethally violent, lying. Our ministers too, since they publicly defend and encourage these intitutions crimes.
I mean yes, the cops lie a lot, but if the kid didn’t have the grenade in his hand, it seems implausible for it to have blown his hand off.
Students around testified that the grenade landed in his hand. Also, it doesn’t matter whether he grabbed it or not.
I’m not sure they are saying it’s fine otherwise. But that aside I wonder what would be an outcry if the grenade got back to the police and blown near some cop
The same police already sued the government a few days ago, accusing it of endangering them by giving them confusing orders against the terrifying hordes of evil, violent, uncontrollable kids.
So yeah, if a cop got injured like that they would already be taking out the tanks in the street at this point.
And then they get shocked when things get more violent, yet they’re the ones setting the tone.
So, a cop threw a stun grenade that blew off a student’s hand. Ergo, a cop blew off a student’s hand.
That’s a misrepresentation.
Whether or not you want to hold the cop responsible is irrelevant.
“a cop blew off a students hand” is intentionally omitting critical information.
Was the stun grenade required?
If it was not thrown, would it have been there for someone to pick up in an attempt to throw it and protect those around them?
They could…like…just pay teachers more. No stun grenades needed to be used on unarmed civilians.
Yeah I’m sure the cop thought “I wouldn’t have to do this shit if they payed teachers more” right before he threw the grenade.
That’s not what I’m saying. The cop didn’t give a shit. He was just taking orders.
“They” are the people in power.
“just taking orders”
So, yeah. Cop blew off a kid’s hand. Someone not-a-cop would take responsibility for this. I’ll leave the nuance to the lawyers.
None of that is relevant to the question of whether the statement “a cop blew off a students hand” accurately describes the event.
You’re very obviously omitting key details with intent to mislead and it just undermines your position.
I’m literally adding details.
You’re obfuscating and attempting to only follow a very direct throughline. I’m saying to hold the further removed layers accountable.
What you’re doing is essentially saying that the actions and choices of the wealthy elites and legislators is not violence on us simply because they didn’t pull the trigger themselves.
Wage theft is violence. Healthcare denials are violence. Excessive police force is absolutely violence. And it all could’ve been avoided.
So yes, the officer that threw the grenade is responsible. The chief of police who ordered them to carry such excessive force for unarmed civilians is responsible. The administration of the school who steal wages, overcharge students, and diminish their educations to turn a larger profit are responsible. The legislators and executives who refuse to protect the people and bend to the whims of the wealthy and allow the situation to continue while they often collect more wealth themselves are responsible.
So, kindly, stfu if you’re blaming a person trying to protect others for the insurmountable harm the system puts us all through. Wake the fuck up. The people you’re defending would just as easily throw stun grenades your way without a second thought.
Oh please. I’m not defending anyone. I’m just pointing out the absurdity of your statement.
This kind of hyperbole might impress 16 year olds but in political discourse you just seem like an idiot.
Cops shouldn’t have access to anything that could potentially blow off a person’s hand, especially not a thing made to be used in public.
Again, that’s irrelevant.
I don’t really disagree, this is not a conversation about how police should be armed.
If you’re trying to describe the event, “a cop blew off a students hand” is very obviously a misrepresentation.
You’re welcome to make a case that the cop shouldn’t have been there or shouldn’t have been armed, but “a cop blew off a students hand” does not describe what happened.
I threw a molotov at you, and you didn’t get out of the way correctly. You being on fire is your fault.
Get fucked.
Well, my being on fire would certainly be my fault if I had tried to pick up the fire.
If a guy sets a building on fire, and a fireman goes inside to save someone but then dies in the flames, you couldn’t say that the first guy burned a fireman alive.
At this rate, they will be
Removed by mod
Him, his family, everyone who donated over 10k in the last election to Republicans, anyone who donated to his ballroom fund and anyone he appointed to any government position need to be executed outright.
All this bullshit about reforming/expanding the supreme Court is entirely unnecessary. Nothing that Trump has done is legitimate. Just retcon all of his actions since 2016. His SC judges? Yeah they’re gone, straight to a military tribunal. The next president will get to nominate at least 3 new SC judges, and every case since a Trump nominee hit the court will need to be re-done. Same with his cereal judge nominations. Fox News will lose it’s broadcast license along with other foreign owned media companies that have conspired to subvert our democracy.
If there’s any pushback, open the net. People that donated 5k or more, federal prison. All Republicans house/Senate members? Fucking dead.
If they bitch, open it up more, their kids will have all assets seized, etc.
Removed by mod
it’s cool they’re destroying stuff to get educated better
i wonder if these guys will pass those courses they so desperately want
I don’t think Americans can really throw any shade on anyone about how to protest.
Violent protests would be extremely counterproductive in the US right now. If you really believe otherwise then you need to step away from the Internet for a while, because you are totally delusional.
False dichotomy.
No it isn’t. You’re just delusional. You think the average French person is sympathetic to violent protests? They are almost always counterproductive.
A false dichotomy is the presentation of a problem as a binary choice, when in fact there’s a variety of solutions.
In this case Americans are doing nothing to prevent the rise of fascism.
You’re claiming that you’re doing nothing because violent protest is counter-productive, and ignoring all of the other solutions.
This is kind of a dumb statement. The French also protested and destroyed a bunch of shit when the government raised the retirement age.
Guess what happened?
If you guessed the government raised the retirement age you would be right. So what does rioting and destroying a bunch of shit accomplish in France. If you answered nothing much you would be correct.
You have heard of that demonstration, and not of the (LOT of) other one. So it’s a necessary mean. And you may be surprised that it have work in the past. Not always, but CEO whining for the destruction to stop have more chance than union asking politely to not be threaten by their workplaces
It’s not the demonstrators, it’s the usual bunch of idiots that use that excuse to break stuff and pillage shops. It’s become pretty much systematic.
Our police have low end military equipment, that’s about it. Being militarized means not having fat lazy 40-60 year olds on the force, and America sure as shit ain’t there yet.
Our police love the optics of having military gear, but quite frankly they aren’t trained and versed on military tactics, discipline, or a number of other things that would make them effective. That’s why when there’s a real problem like a school shooting or hostage situation they just stand around sucking each other off while wearing body army and holding $1500 AR’s. They’re just security theater. They care about getting easy overtime. They want to go home at the end of the day. They don’t want to die violently. They are paper tigers.
The best part is that when one dies or quits, they have to hire a replacement. It would be fairly easy to create a scenario where a PD NEEDS to hire new officers ASAP, then you flood then with Manchurian applicants. Get your man inside, then you’re golden.
Weird, that perfectly describes the cops in the US.
Oh and militarized just means giving the cops military equipment, mostly armored vehicles and projectile launchers that wouldn’t normally be used in civilian work. Police are civilians, and I think they understand that in France better than anywhere, because you don’t allow them military vehicles and gear to fight the populace. Unfortunately, no other country got the message. We give MRAPS to our thugs with badges. It’s hard to fight back, even when you have pistols, shotguns, and rifles, when the thugs with badges have crowd control weapons. Sonic inhibitors, UV dispersal units, and lethal options like their standard issue AR-15.
I dunno where the fuck you’re from but American cops definitely aren’t fat 40-60 year old slobs. That’s one of the things that is so dangerous about them, they’re young dudes with a chip on their shoulder and shit to prove (and now let just ICE, they’re the bottom of the barrel but they’re hadly an exception)
Now if you’re from a rich community where everyone has gates and private patrols then yeah maybe it’s all fat old cops collecting a check where nothing happens because they roll out the SWAT team when people from “those other neighborhoods” get near, yeah maybe I see where the idea comes from
You can’t speak for the entire US dude. The cops in rural areas definitely are fat 40-60 year old guys. Still got an AR in the trunk tho.