As a person who’s ancestors came to the US in the standard 19th century poor European peasant diaspora,
Screw your stupid rules.
I wouldn’t discard him though he’d be lectured on the PERFECT pizza possible by the hand of man. Or woman. Or other.
That’s right - THE SPICY HAWAIIAN !!! {aloha !}
Regular crust. Regular mozza. Mild sauce (can be spicy to taste). Ham slivers (used to be “Canadian bacon”). Almost crisp hickory smoked bacon. Pineapple chunks. Fresh jalapeno slices (no asshole, no navel) about a half inch thick. All four topping should synergistically create an impenetrable layer of deliciousness that will have the diner cry out “BEHOLD !!! PERFECTION”.
I wouldn’t have fired the guy though. I mean, it’s good to have standards. Also, he might have been out of pineapple. Who knows? this is the internet after all.
Italian, or American who’s grandparents were born in Italy and is a little too influenced by stupid Internet memes?
Based. Valid. Don’t even care about the other alleged incidents. Never comply.
In its ruling released on Tuesday, the commission noted that Tamburella’s refusal to put pineapple on the pizzas was because “he considers, as an Italian, that putting pineapple on a pizza is an insult to his culture”.
It also noted that it was the third time Tamburella had refused to use the fruit on pizzas in the past four years.
He had previously requested his boss to “check how important it is for Italians not to put pineapple on a pizza”.
Who made him the food police? Like give me fucking break, if someone orders a Hawaiian pizza then don’t consider it authentic Italian pizza. That’s fine. But it’s still your job to make it. What an ass hole.
He should have burned the place down.
Not the oinion indeed. The pineapple.
Hi-yooooooo!
Congrats on your wife/girlfriends’ pregnancy!
Italian, or idiot who’s grandparents were born in Italy and is a little too influenced by stupid Internet memes?
Meanwhile decent chefs: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/naples-new-pineapple-pizza-1.7107921
A martyr, truly. 😔
Once you get past the cute framing (“pineapple on pizza: you either love it or hate it, but know Italians see it as an affront, right?”), this looks like a stalking horse to legitimise the idea of “religious freedom” rights, like those of pharmacists to refuse to sell birth control.
Yeah, I hate pineapple on pizza too, but the restaurant sells it, so the chef better fucking make it
The ruling also detailed an incident at work in April this year where Tamburella fractured bones in his right hand when he struck a metal hand rail.
Forget the pineapple - dude has anger issues and shouldn’t be running a kitchen.
Yes, that was in the title of the post
Italian chef
ItalianchefFTFY
He’s an idiot, it’s delicious.
“But-a, de pine-a apple ees not endemic to eetalia!”
Yeah and neither is the tomato, spaghetti slurper. Get good.
I will have you know as aitilian pizzeria chef from a fancy Italian restaurant that used to make a couple hundred pies a day by hand from scratch… We’re not all charictures. Prosciutto, pineapple and olives are where it’s at. The trick to good pineapple pizza is to not cook the pineapple. It goes on after the pie comes out. Then you have cold juicy pineapple dripping all over the salty olives and ham. 🍕
You can also put it on pre-cook, but if you do, it works best to put it under the cheese instead of on top. Then it gets warm but retains enough juice.
And more importantly, it’s wasted with the sweet ham, better with salty pepperoni (or since you already have the salty olives, savory chicken) and jalapenos!
Wanna hear a “real” pizza crime from a (former) fellow professional? Basil pesto base, chicken, tomato, sliced strawberries, and a honey drizzle. Don’t knock it until you try it (strawberries optional, but exceptional. And red onion optional as well).
Prosciutto is not honey ham
Yes true so that’d work better than the sweet ham too for sure, my brain was going off the last line:
dripping all over the salty olives and ham
And forgetting you said prosciutto earlier, and correlating “ham” with the typical sweet ham people use lol, my bad.
Wanna hear a “real” pizza crime from a (former) fellow professional? Basil pesto base, chicken, tomato, sliced strawberries, and a honey drizzle.
That sounds delicious.
Why are you making all those pies if you’re a pizzeria chef? Maybe move to Wigan.
You took too long to reset time in Majora’s Mask.
Yep, tomatoes and potatoes. And almost every single bean.
There were plenty of beans they had access to.
Kitchen serves Caesar salad that was created 100 years ago in Tijuana by Italian immigrant Caesar Cardini when his hotel restaurant was short on ingredients.
It also serves “Kilpatrick”, which is oysters served with “Grilled finely chopped bacon with Worcestershire, BBQ, Dijon, ketchup, Tabasco, lemon juice and smoked paprika”.
Precursors to pizza used things like dates and other fruits as toppings.
The menu has meat all over it, which to me reads more like an Italian-American thing where meat over here was super cheap and thus became increasingly incorporated into Italian dishes.
And of course modern pizza uses a key ingredient not even available until it was brought back from the New World.
But sure, this is a step too far and an affront to his culture.
And of course modern pizza uses a key ingredient not even available until it was brought back from the New World.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make since Pizza came from Napoli immigrants to the USA where it spread across the east coast and the rest of the country. American tourists then spread it across Italy because they kept asking head scratching, Italian chefs about it who couldn’t help them. There’s basically two kinds of Pizza: A local dish of Naples and a popular American fast food but it was never something traditionally Italian that represents the country’s cuisine or anything. Some Italians just somehow made being a food snob their culture or something.
Another funny thing is that Carbonara sauce has endless documented recipes going back many years that include all sorts of ham, cheese and even garlic so don’t let any Italian tell you how to make a “authentic” carbonara. There is no such thing and they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Do they think wheat only comes from north america?
Tomatoes
Wait until this guy hears how many pizzarias are run by Greek folks, rather than Italians. His heart will explode, I’m sure.
We have a pretty large amount of pizzarias owned by people with turkish roots here too! They often also offer Kebap, and some even provide Kebap Pizza.
Kebap Pizza.
OK I need this in my life
Eh, i personally like either a pizza with all its cheesy & tomato & oregano goodness or kebap with it’s own satisfying taste. Pizza dough goes better with ingredients that don’t tend to dry out as much in an pizza oven, sadly. Although, thinking about it again, a kebap Calzone sounds awesome.
When you say kebap, what food are you referring to? Where I am it’s usually spelled kabob and refers to chunks of meat on a skewer, which I think would be too big for pizza.
Shawarma or gyro on a pizza is good though! It doesn’t dry out in my experience, and at most gets a little more crisp on smaller edges like a ham or bacon might.
Where do I find one of those?
Searching for “Turkish pizza near me” find pizzerias that also sell gyros. The ones I tried didn’t have any different pizza toppings listed and it’s not like I can check every menu
Greeks mogging Romans once again.
The Romans came in and saved the Greeks’ asses twice with no strings attached just because they were the Greeks’ fanboys. Romans mogged the everloving fuck out of the Greeks.
Computer, define “mogged”
… I’m sorry, for your own safety I can not provide you with that information.
Verb; To assert ones dominance.
“Greeks are Turks that think they are Italians.”
There is literally a traditional Neapolitan pizza with figs and cheese on it.
Italians: “You can’t put fruit on pizza!!1!”
Tomatoes: -_-
Tomatoes are fruit, yes. Botanically.
Here is a list of botanical fruits: tomato, cucumber, zucchini, yellow squash, acorn squash, butternut squash, pumpkin, eggplant, bell pepper, jalapeno pepper, habanero pepper, poblano pepper, cayenne pepper, serrano pepper, banana pepper, avocado, olive
Tomato is botanically a fruit, and culinarily a vegetable. Vegetables are not a botanical classification. Botanical classifications are often surprising - a strawberry is not a botanical berry, for example, but culinarily it is.
Yeah probably cause they don’t wanna yell “prep the accessory fruits” 10 times a shift.
Tomatoes aren’t Italian.
American at Apple pie
Apple pie’s British actually
But sure, this is a step too far
Cuisine is an element of culture and so a socially-defined thing. Few would argue that espresso isn’t a part of Italian cuisine, but it was only really invented in the 1930s (coffee had been consumed in Italy for long before that, of course). Ciabatta was invented in 1982 and I’m sure most Italians would be fine with serving that.
But pineapple on pizza is not just not part of the socially-defined Italian cuisine; it’s an antithesis to it! It’s an emblem to everyone of how you can take something that is part of a cuisine (pizza) and do something to it that is completely at odds with it. Whether you like pineapple on pizza or not, that should be clear.
So, it shouldn’t be surprising that some people feel strongly enough about what is and isn’t part of their cuisine and draw the line there. In my experience, many Italians do feel very strongly about their cuisine, more so than any other nationality I’ve talked to about food. Try asking some what they think about spaghetti and meatballs for an example that seems innocuous to most non-Italians.
I respect such viewpoints but I do think there are plenty of people who hold them without really understanding them - who don’t realise how malleable cultural elements like cuisine are and who think they’re actually upholding an objective and immutable standard. That’s clearly wrong, but just because what is part of a cuisine changes doesn’t mean everything is part of a cuisine.
For restaurants there’s a decision to make - do you stick to what you hold to be the authentic cuisine, or do something more accommodating of globalised expectations? There’s room for both… and individual cooks who aren’t the restaurant owner or whatever probably don’t get to make the call.
Ciabatta
wow… i had no idea something like that was only made so recently. That’s kinda wild.
Good points. But I would argue that pizza more than almost any dish (maybe rivaled by hamburgers?) has far transcended its roots and become a true global phenomenon.
“Hawaiian” pizza, generally considered the origin of pineapple as a topping, started in Canada in 1962*. That’s almost 65 years ago and 20 years older than your example of Ciabatta.
[*] Or possibly Portland, OR in 1957.
Canada in 1962
And bear in mind that pizza only became international basically right after WWII, so if pineapple pizza was invented today, pizza would have only started becoming known to most in, say, North America in like 2013 or so.
It blows my mind how quickly it spread and became just something normal.
I think that’s one reason I’m perfectly fine with the places that do things like put corn on it. lol
Food is meant to be enjoyed. And nourish, but hopefully pleasantly so.
Unarguably it’s a global phenomenon. And personally I don’t greatly value authenticity - or adherence to a particularly canonical cuisine - but changes to a cuisine’s canon don’t just happen due to time passed; that was really my point with the ciabatta example, that it is accepted in spite of being very recent. I haven’t asked anyone explicitly about ciabatta, but I would guess that even though it happened recently, it’d be accepted by most Italians, even those who are fairly strict about what counts as authentic, as Italian cuisine.
Why, even though it’s so recent? Well, in the end it’s about social agreement, not rules, but there are probably some reasons that go into that agreement: it was developed in Italy; it has similarities to existing cuisine; those similarities were consciously developed; it doesn’t violate any implicit expectations in the existing cuisine. Hawaiian pizza certainly doesn’t share those aspects. That doesn’t mean that it couldn’t be accepted, but it means it’s harder.
To take another example, sandwiches are an accepted part of British cuisine, and have also well and truly transcended those roots and become global. But that doesn’t mean that banh mi are part of British cuisine!
