Summary
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau opposed any deal letting Russia keep Ukrainian land, saying it would encourage other countries to break international rules.
Speaking to a NATO meeting, he highlighted Canada’s $19.5 billion aid to Ukraine and stressed the need to defend global stability.
Trudeau defended his plan to raise military spending to 2% of GDP by 2032 after criticism of Canada’s low defense funding.
He warned against isolating Ukraine, saying continued support is crucial to stop further global conflicts.
If Russia is permitted to annex any part of Ukraine it sends the message that they can attack any country and eventually take over parts of it.
If the world doesn’t stop Russia from taking Ukraine, Russia isn’t going to stop once they’ve taken Ukraine.
Can’t understand why you’re being downvoted. This is quite literally the collective assessment of NATO.
It’s also essentially why NATO exists. I understand the “not involved in conflict” clause for applying but this seems like a special occasion where the conflict is coming from the whole reason the damn organization was created in the first place
“International rules”? Is that a thing?
Theoretically, it has been since the Germans lost WW1
I just have to laugh every time I hear people pretend it means anything other than “powerful countries doing whatever they want”.
We really are at the point of “Well this guy wants us to exterminate innocents, and this guy wants us to not do that, so how about we only kill 3 Million jews this time instead of 6 million eh?” of Neo-Liberal discourse
NO! Don’t let Russia have a god damn thing, not even a single glass of water that comes from Ukraine.
Trudeau is spot on and Canada should ask the Blue States if they would like to be annexed.
Yeah sure, it will go like this:
2025 - blue states join Canada
2026 - red states aka the remainder of the USA face growing unrest as their funding handouts are cut off
2026 - tech companies in the province of Canifornia stop sharing new tech breakthroughs with USA due to posturings by their increasingly expanding military industrial complex and proposed weapon developments
2027 - huge skills drain in USA as health professionals and remaining scientists flee to Canada
2028 - Gilead starts amassing troops and staging ‘special military exercises’ on their border with CanadaCanada counter attacks via this banger. https://youtu.be/2gfve5QhWyI
20 billion
Man, I’m jealous.
His country has universal health care and isn’t wasting trillions a year policing the world like we are.
I’ll let you in on something else. We spend as much taxes per capita on healthcare as America does.
Our healthcare system has been deteriorating over the last 5-8 years now though with many healthcare professionals leaving the force for higher paying US opportunities. It’s lead to an annoying experience out here for anyone younger than 40 seeking healthcare.
Healthcare is also provincially managed
It’s more to do with the aging population.
And more significantly a lack of funding by conservative provincial governments, as the provinces are responsible for funding the system and conservatives have been in power for about the past 6-8 years now in basically every province experiencing health system failures.
As an American, I’m confused that Canada has less than 2% GDP for military spending. Do you guys just spend all that money back on yourselves? Fucking nice.
And Mexico spends 8 billion on war a year.
Very nice.
I’m jealous.
I’m assuming it’s because they really only have a single neighboring country, the US. Despite the Fallout games, I doubt that the US invasion/annexation of Canada is even seen as a remote possibility, or something that they could really ever meaningfully oppose were the US to even try it. There’s just no need to maintain a ridiculously large military when you’re neighbors with the country that has the largest military spending on Earth anyways, may as well just spend your money on your people.
We’re annexing them through conservative news sources instead. It’s slower, but quite effective.
Yes it is.
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Fair, we’ll have them dismantling their welfare system in a few years’ time like they were red-blooded 'Mericans all along.
Oh, they’re working on it.
Trudeau needs to step down. He’s been ok, but I honestly don’t think he’d win another election. The Trudeau hate is insane.
Yeah honestly as a Canadian with 2 kids and another on the way. It’s pretty awesome. We get in the neighborhood of $1500 a month for our two kids already and once the next one is born we will be getting north of $2200 a month from our government. It covers a lot of bills and makes the life we have possible. We live small but we make our money go a looong way and prioritize time with our kids over extra cash flow. My wife works part time and right now I’m able to be a full time stay at home dad until my wife takes another maternity leave then I’ll go back to work part or fulltime.
Edit: Also our healthcare is fully covered. It’s such a relief. My wife had one potential issue with her last pregnancy and our healthcare system went above and beyond to make sure everything was fine. They immediately sent her to a more capable facility by helicopter and had specialists waiting and everything. And it was all free. They take children’s health very seriously and spend any money necessary.
Some people hate our healthcare system and I get it, it has its flaws. But when shit hits the fan and you are in need. They rush to your safety it’s actually crazy. My wife and child ended up being absolutely fine but they didn’t even take the chance.
One time my youngest had a really bad virus and was at home. He took a turn for the worse and started having low level breathing and his skin changed colour. We rushed to the hospital since it’s literally 2 mins from our house. The second someone at the front entrance saw his little face it was like go time. They cleared the hallways immediately and like 5 doctors and nurses took him from us and rushed him into the Emerg. They spend a lot of time training for moments like that and when someone is really in need of help they are there and they work like a well oiled machine to save lives.
Canada’s health care sounds like what Finland’s health care is supposed to be.
Instead our government is busy running it to the ground at terminal velocity.
Raise the military spend now. Stop kicking the can. We’ve helped, sure, but we need to do more.
Agree 100% we can’t rely on our rich bi-polar brother in the methlab of a house next door to protect us anymore.
As one of those rich bipolar methlab brothers, save yourself while you can
You need protection from greedy politicians and the military industry sucking in public money and fueling wars.
The Kremlin would be thrilled to see you in this thread shitting on the US
I’m Canadian. It’s a rite of passage for us to love our sibling while also shit on them. Don’t mistake it for a lack of caring.
Hell, I don’t know what my, assumed, fellow countryman was on there. Complaining about the shittiness of our country is damn near the most American thing, right after Mac and Cheese, and German Chocolate Cake.
most American thing
German Chocolate Cake
The name makes 0 sense but damn that looks good.
That’s the joke
That is an American pasttime
I’m American. shitting on and shooting in America is my right bah gaw and i ain’t take kindly to no mcarthy-eque nationalist shit.
Go hop into a river.
Raise the military spend now.
Fuck no, cut the military spending and stop fueling wars.
Canada already spend billions of dollars in war, increasing military budget will only get you more war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
Canada’s expenditure as a % of gdp according to your own source is pretty weak already. Insisting on having no military spending is hardly a real argument. Also, Canada has a very real stake in ensuring russia doesn’t succeed given those coveted waters you guys have along the northern territories.
Only works if your adversaries also cut military spending. Unfortunately countries like Russia have shown that they’ll happily attack those unable to defend themselves. This also means that increased military spending can cause less war if it deters those who would otherwise attack.
Only works if your adversaries also cut military spending.
Usa and nato spend 10 times more than what russia does. Open the link and do the math yourself. They have no good excuse to raise the military budget even according to your logic.
Unfortunately countries like Russia have shown that they’ll happily attack those unable to defend themselves.
Go check the history of your country, every authoritarian nation will try to do that. Raising military spending does not make people more secure, it only increase rulers and government power. Wars are fought by people not money.
This also means that increased military spending can cause less war if it deters those who would otherwise attack.
Spending more on war will get you more war. You can see it happening right now in ukraine and middle east.
There is only a war in Ukraine because Pootin illegally invaded it.
War could stop tomorrow if he pulled forces back to Russias border.
2/3rds of Ukrainians want the same. They just need the help to resist the Russian invasion.
Poll data was part of Perun’s latest video on the latest developments of the war and what the turning point will be:
https://youtu.be/vf2vSoWsmgI (0:50:38)
Why only 2/3?
War is hell. They have made many sacrifices. There is some part of the population that would like for the war to end and defacto (not dejure) give up Crimea and donbass in return for NATO protection. Unfortunately that outcome is very much not possible unless they get more help from the west. Russia’s current goal is annexation of all of Ukraine.
getting 2/3 of anyone to agree on anything is hard enough when you’re not dealing with 40 million people, all of whom have direct consequences of the outcome of the decision. you’re gonna have a few deluded souls who’ve allowed themselves to think russia (lowercase intentional) is their ally, but you’re also going to have people who think the best thing to do is ceasefire now and find a better path in the future. i’d estimate there’s around one perpective on this war per ukrainian citizen, and so “should we retain our boundaries when this is over” is just one way of getting a cross sectional view of those perspectives
With the war this long, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a segment of the Ukrainian population that says, “Let’s just end this. If that means we give up some land for peace, and Russia pays for it, it’s worth the lives saved.”
I’ve been reading a lot about the US revolutionary war and there were definitely those who wanted an end to hostilities even if it meant returning to the crown.
I’m not saying it’s right because we all know Russia would absolutely invade again. But it might help explain some of the 1/3 that don’t agree with not giving an inch to Russia.
I assume the other 3rd are “Ukrainian” in the way that they’ve been places in Ukraine by Russ, but remain loyal to Russia, not Ukraine
Meh. To be honest, I shouldn’t be surprised that even if your assumption is true, this was the result.
Hell, 45 became 47
The US elections aren’t the only thing targeted by the Kremlin’s propaganda
1/3 are probably working class people who are aware that their conditions under the ukrainian government or russian government will be the same and that war will only bring them more misery.
I agree. I hope Ukrainians abroad step up and go back to defend their country. Working in the technology industry I know there are many Ukrainian men who have left and hold jobs at technology companies. It’s time to go back and fight.
I’m not sure that the best way for a software developer to support the war effort is by carrying a gun.
Hopefully if they support the defense of Ukraine, they find a way to support the Defence of Ukraine. I’m hesitant to prescribe the best way to do that.
Someone posted an image of a squad of Ukrainian soldiers overlayed with their pre-war civilian jobs. They were all in tech, software engineers, data science, etc, etc.
If they have some special skills creating missile or drone software, or in cyber warfare — sure they can fight that way. But, it sounds like the front line needs reinforcements badly and these guys ought to at least step up for their country instead of hiding out abroad.
Has someone done a Russian version of the overlay?
Vlad: released convict Dmitri: bootlegger Yevgeny: herion addict
There are certainly tech focused positions in any modern military, but yeah, the front lines are probably not the best place for a software developer with probably no military training.
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The Russian infantry is accepting applications.
I haven’t blocked anyone before in Lemmy, what does it actually do?
It blocks them, but only if you leave a comment saying you blocked them or it won’t work.
It maintains your echo chamber.
Because having a logical conversation on the internet typically changes people’s opinion
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Then he can pack his bags and go to the front
