All of Europe knows why Donald Trump is really attacking Ukraine and its president.
  • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    70·
    14 hours ago

    Advice to Zelensky:
    Say to Trump Ukraine will stop bombing Russian oil, when USA has fixed the Hormuz strait problems and Oil is down below $60 like they were before USA attacked Iran.

  • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mlEnglish
    129·
    5 hours ago

    The fact remains that the high energy prices are ruining the EUs economies. And yes the Iran war is responsible for the high fuel prices now, but it did start earlier. Germany shutting of their nuclear power at the behest of the fossil fuel lobby. Then Biden bombing the nordstream pipeline and sanctions against Russia.

    These are the causes for the massive deindustrialization Germany and the EU is facing. You might agree with it but this remains the facts. But it’s not like this forced degrowth in the face of the war is doing anything to counter climate change any more, that ship has sailed by now.

    So what the fuck are our European leaders laughing about? The downfall of Europe? For what? Ukraine? Some shithole ultra corrupt contry nobody, really absolutely nobody cared about before? We HAD to get that one into NATO and we HAD to get that one into the EU?

    I understand the US they want to expand their empire and redefine the relationship with their vassals in the EU. I understand Russia, they don’t want to have missiles easily reaching Moscow and loose access to the black sea, and they don’t want to be next on the chopping block. I understand Ukraine the nationalists there want a permanent break from Russia and permanent russophobia is a great strategy to maintain power.

    What I don’t understand is Europe. Just what the fuck did we gain from this? Ethical brownie points? Or does anybody seriously think we are safer today than we’ve been before the color revolution and regime change in 2014? Like seriously? It’s so fucking pathetic. Ukraine won’t be holding out much longer and gonna end up as a failed, landlocked state.

    Europe really deserves the fascist takeover by AFD/LePen/Reform that is inevitable coming next. Weak leaders and moronic people being swayed by the most obvious propaganda. I guess the then retired European leaders are going continue laughing in their villas.

  • panthera_@lemmy.todayEnglish
    76·
    7 hours ago

    But what is Europe is doing to help Ukraine? This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.

      • panthera_@lemmy.todayEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago
        1. Good point but France is a nuclear power and has a good military. Countries fought Germany during World War II despite being in the Great Depression. Countries that can replace France are Germany and Poland.
        2. It would be replaced by a European alliance without the US. Leaving the US out is to make the agreement attractive to Putin.
        3. Only two countries would send troops to Ukraine. This is necessary to prevent Putin from claiming he is being overwhelmed and must go nuclear.
        4. Europe has to be reminded of the consequences of Russia winning in Ukraine. The UK and France weren’t willing to fight Germany during World War II. When Germany invaded Poland, Britain and France declared war on Germany but did nothing. They should have attacked Germany from the west while much of Germany’s military was in Poland. The result of this purely defensive strategy was that Germany invaded France and France considered one of the powerful countries in the world surrendered in six weeks.