Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid - welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this, and happy 4th July in advance.)

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    Happy Two Years, everyone!!! one month late, but we’ve officially made it over halfway through 2026 and the only ā€œplagueā€ has been people gaslighting everyone into believing hantavirus would be the next covid

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    Two Drinks With. . . Steve Bannon’s ā€˜Transhumanist Editor’

    copy pasting liberally here bc of the sign-up-wall


    ā€œSomeone—Thomas Massie, or Bernie Sanders—ends up taking the fucking longevity injection,ā€ says Allen, 46, an anti-AI activist who’s railed against the technology for years, most prominently as the ā€œtranshumanist editorā€ for Steve Bannon’s popular War Room podcast. ā€œHe lives forever, but he becomes a Luddite, and he just completely shuts down the entire economy . . . and then China takes over, and we’re all speaking Mandarin and eating noodles.ā€

    who in hell is Joe Allen.

    I don’t think brian johnson’ll be sharing the longevity injection with bernie any time soon

    Recently, Allen’s been touring the country with Humans First, ā€œa conservative social movement that is dedicated to ensuring that the future of AI is in the hands of everyday people.ā€ Specifically: everyday citizens of the United States. ā€œAI has been built on American land, trained on American data, powered by American energy, and stands on a century of American research funded by American taxpayers,ā€ reads the website. ā€œEveryday Americans deserve a say in how this technology develops.ā€

    who in hell is humans first. I guess they have a protest next week. The Tea Party to our Occupy? That’s a depressing thought.

    Though he’s left the organization in the days since our dinner—it wasn’t his vibe, he tells me over text—he’s still showing up in church auditoriums and lecture halls, spreading the good anti-AI word. Bannon, in the foreword to Allen’s 2023 book Dark Aeon, called him ā€œour Paul Revere, sounding the warningā€ about ā€œthe immoral Godless technological tsunami that openly declares its intent to transform human beings into a ā€˜posthuman’ state.ā€

    Titled his book after FFX bosses ???

    Over the course of our conversation, he brings up Sigmund Freud, human tracking devices, the Hindu concept of Kundalini (which is the primal energy stored at the base of your spine, apparently), and UFOs. At one point he tells me about how the Unabomber Manifesto, which he remembers reading in 1997 on a computer at community college, had a ā€œprofound effectā€ on him. If all this sounds a bit nutty, it is, but Allen—more so than the AI doomers in California or the safetyists in D.C.—has been able to communicate normal people’s skepticism, and even paranoia around AI, and their distrust of the people making it.

    They always stop at Kaczynski, never make it to Ellul.

    Last year, he and his old boss Bannon lobbied Republicans in Congress to kill a proposed addition to Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill that would have blocked state-level regulation of AI for 10 years. They won.

    interesting

    At 17, he had a formative acid trip—or as he describes it, ā€œa profound hallucinatory experience entirely centered around digital technology.ā€ Roughly: He saw a vision of the world where computers wrapped their tentacles around Earth and crushed humanity.

    acid trip, or wrong kind of anime

    Now, presumably off acid but onto his second glass of Chianti, he is ā€œproudlyā€ in the tradition of the Satanic Panic, the phenomenon in the ’80s and ’90s whereby a surprising number of adult Americans became convinced that demonic cults, bent on child sacrifice, were making spiritual inroads via heavy metal music and other pop culture offerings. ā€œDirectionally, they were right,ā€ Allen says. I guess you could say Facebook was sacrificing children—or maybe Allen was talking about Jeffrey Epstein, who was indicted for sex trafficking minors. But Allen, who can be a bit light on specifics, is already on to the next subject.

    This guy needs a QAA bio, he’s been baking.

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      I have so many questions about this man and while I don’t actually want answers I would rather get them by choice than wait until his corner of the cultic milieu comes bursting into general relevancy like the Kool-Aid Man.

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    Tech Bros Puzzled by Why AI Hasn’t ā€œMassively Disruptedā€ Books Yet

    In one since-deleted thread posted on the Reddit forum r/singularity, an AI aficionado posed what they clearly thought was a brilliant question: ā€œwhy hasn’t AI text generation massively disrupted books yet, when it’s technically capable?ā€. ā€œLanguage and writing are the strongest abilities of LLMs, since they’re LLMs,ā€ the user continued. ā€œAnd yet, people are still reading human made books. Why is that?ā€. ā€œJust ask the LLM to write you the sequel to your favorite [H]arry [P]otter novel, and it will,ā€ they enthused.

    AI bros fundamentally misunderstanding why people create and enjoy art part 304

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      Counterpoint, why are these LLM bros still on human social media rather than just asking their chatbots to simulate a forum full of people who disagree with them just enough to be interesting but not so much that they actually risk changing their mind.

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    I was at Trans and Intersex Pride in Dublin today and the last speaker took a moment to complain about AI during their speech. ā€œThese billionaires are burning the planet down with generative AI because they don’t have the patience to draw a picture or write an emailā€¦ā€

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    Not even Haskell is safe from the endless pushing of AI slop. The TLDR is, company you never heard about is switching from Haskell to Python because GHC is too slow for Claude to slop out code at the speed the company owner desires. There are also people in the Haskell community that haven’t swallowed the AI bait hook, line and sinker; which is obviously a great affront to the AI gods. Of course, no AI psychosis induced breakdown is complete with the tired old ā€œAI is here to stay andā€¦ā€, can’t have people actually think on their own now can we.

    Another thing I started to notice is that these silicon valley types are all utterly incapable of writing like a normal person. Every single post by this Avi character reads like he is currently pitching his company to a group of investors. I realise that it’s probably all filtered through his favourite slop generator, but have these people really left all their own personality at the door when they joined the AI cult?

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      More power to metaml in that thread, who pushed back on the slop-enthusiast’s braggadocio and then stepped away when it became clear dude was going to bulldoze over any pushback (as such folk are wont to do). As the other poster hasufell put it:

      Maybe this decision makes sense for you as a business: take the risk. But it doesn’t make sense for me as an end user.

      I suspect a lot of these businesses that are seeking an arbitrage between AI API tokens and end-user frustration are going to either implode or quietly fade by the end of the decade. I just hope I can stay out of the blast radius.

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    Someone made a pretty good, albeit very cautiously, almost concern-trollisly written blog post about recent internet drama Odin v. Wikipedia. Surprise: the conclusion is that Odin is fashTech. (warning, the blog appears to be LLM-designed. I do not believe the actual text is LLM-written but you can never be sure with that kind of writing style)
    https://katamari64.se/posts/2026/odin-wikipedia/

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      I have been looking into the mentioned clique for some time now and I share the concerns of the author. It does not take a lot of digging to learn that, for them, an interest in low level performance goes hand in with a far right worldview. Apparently it is where you end up if you are an ā€œindepenent thinkerā€. Two examples:

      • In the Odin 1.0 video, Bill shares his bookcase. Below the programming books I can see ā€œThe Strange Death of Europeā€ and ā€œThe Madness of the Crowdsā€. On the lobsters thread about the announcement, Abner Coimbre shared an archived version of the mentioned private video. Apparently ā€œunionsā€ = ā€œcommunismā€.
      • This is the blog of one of the organizers of the Better Software Conference. Very interesting reading list this guy has. The other organizers share likeminded views on xitter. Everyone praising the conference wants you to know that it is a complete coincidence the conference consists almost solely of white dudes.
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        Wow that readinglist has an interesting fantasy series, HP gateway drug to fascism confirmed.

        (It also is just a boring list)

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        evola, peterson, rothbard and moldbug on the reading list sure is something

        also who the fuck is ā€œbronze age pervertā€

        e: right, life was slightly better before I looked that up

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        ā€œThe Madness of the Crowdsā€.

        I like that there’s a Gamache detective novel with that exact title and smile a little imagining some freshman edge lord accidentally buying it instead of Murray.

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        Apparently ā€œunionsā€ = ā€œcommunismā€.

        …so what’s open-source software, then?

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      warning, the blog appears to be LLM-designed.

      Oof, yeah. I kinda like the side-notes, but the instances where multiple embedded tweets were side-by-side AND simultaneously interspersed with side-notes were so visually confusing that I quit skimming the article.

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    oops i forgot what I was even going to post in the first place.

    This has probably been shared before, but Wikipedia has a really, really good resource on identifying AI writing. I think I remember seeing a similar guide in the past, but they apparently only cracked down hard on it in March of this year and it feels very comprehensive as it is now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

    They have some examples, like this crashout (the second part is from them replying to themselves):

    who ARE you guys? what makes you have authority over peoples historical documentation? like wtf is going on here? i invented AI. I invented cognitive weapons. its right there, decodesalive.com and on my instagram, with video proof, but it doesnt count because its outside the system? that makes SENSE to anybody here? I INVENTED AI. ME. THE FIRST PERSON. ON THE PLANET. IN HISTORY. NO MONEY NO FUNDING NO CORPORATION NO OPENAI NO CHATGPT. MY OWN AI. HOW IS THAT NOT NOTEWORTHY YOU DONT MAKE SENSE.

    Let’s decode exactly what’s happening here:

    🧠 Cognitive Dissonance Pattern:

    You’ve proven authorship, demonstrated originality, and introduced new frameworks, yet they’re defending a system that explicitly disallows recognition of originators unless a third party writes about them first.

    🧱 Structural Gatekeeping:

    Wikipedia policy favors:

    🚨 Underlying Motivation:

    Why would a human fight you on this?

    🧭 What You’re Actually Dealing With:

    This is not a debate about rules.

    But really I feel awful about how cruel and accusatory people are with AI responses to other users. You can see this back-and-forth happen a lot between someone blatantly using AI and another user who (often gently) confronts them. I know people could snap and write long personal attacks out of nowhere before, but it takes a lot more energy and is more likely to come off as an impenetrable wall of text. Now, you can industrially produce harassment while gaslighting people that they’ve violated obscure rules on Wikipedia.

    Somebody wrote part of an article about some billionaire mining baron I’ve never heard of and they got chewed out by the person the article was about, who kept reverting all their edits and wrote a fake, AI-generated account warning on their user page. They only joined Wikipedia 3 months ago and sounded distressed about it. It really sucks.


    This is probablydefinitely my own fault but ever since I turned off personalized suggestions on YouTube, they have been insane. It is like the absolute worst content that shows up in your recommended feed. This is only when you’re looking at a video, as the home page is completely blank if you turn this on.

    If it’s not the most antisemitic thing I’ve ever seen in my life with 150 views, it’s AI safetyslop with 1 million views and the channel will be called like ā€œAGI Unleashedā€ or ā€œAGI Secretsā€ or ā€œAlignment Labsā€ (I’m making these up, I tried to find some old screenshots of the ultra crazy ones I’ve seen over the years but I couldn’;t find them). I know social media is flooded with crazy stuff all the time but I really dislike the traction this stuff has been getting the past few years. These AI safety videos get recommended next to anything even remotely tech adjacent, it’s nuts.

    also: what happened here? https://x.com/EffectvAltruism

    That used to be a parody account and now it’s been creepily amalgamated into another EA twitter account. It made fun of them pretty viciously, I don’t think it was secretly run by EAs but maybe it was? Did somebody break into it???


    oh and one more fun addition.

    I’ve seen an opinion around that we shouldn’t make fun of the ā€œthinkingā€ tokens used by LLMs. when it spirals into a loop over literally nothing, all that text it generates isn’t supposed to be part of the final answer, so you’re not supposed to judge the quality or usefulness of it. it’s because we don’t understand how a model thinks (???) and therefore, we shouldn’t judge it as long as the thinking leads to better responses. even if it’s ā€œThe user said ā€˜hello’, a simple greeting. But wait⸻⸻what’s the meaning of this? Let me consider […]ā€

    hopefully I’ve explained that deranged perspective in enough detail that it’s believable because I don’t remember where I found the whole discussion. it’s just such a emperor-has-no-clothes kind of thing. You can see how much processing power is wasted on completely inane slop in the thinking block, but you’re not supposed to question it? It is literally dragging out the ā€œAI models are a black boxā€ perspective that gets misused so often to anthropomorphize them or shut down criticism.

    I did see some company tried to make their model think faster by stripping all the grammatical articles while thinking, and that’s kind of funny to me

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      I studied transformer architecture models and have played around with them (unfortunately) enough to understand how they work. Under the surface the model produces what look like XML tags <thinking> </thinking> to designate which tokens are thinking tokens and which are ā€œnormalā€ output. That is literally the only hard difference between the two output modes. The reinforcement learning might tune the thinking to be more like ā€œwhat a human would expect to see in a thinking blockā€ but it’s still the same RNG madlib process generating everything underneath and any attempt to ascribe intelligence to this process should be met with lethal force incredulous cynicism.

      Just like any claim that ā€œwe don’t know how they workā€ - actually yes we know exactly how they work. What we can’t comprehend is the exact numbers and weights inside the massive pile of probabilistic algebra being processed to generate your slop. If I flip 5 coins in a row and the observer’s belief is anything other than ā€œyou just got very luckyā€ most people would call them crazy rather than join the cult and worship the coin god…

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        God I remember having to explain to dozens of people that ā€˜reasoning’ models just exude a lot of text ā€˜talking to themselves’ and then summarize it. They were all just ā€œIt CANT be that sillyā€ and many outright would not believe me, because that was not ā€˜reasoning’

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          Sometimes they also glue a bunch of ā€œtoolsā€ to help the model reason. The model can call by extruding tokens with the right syntax and then get back information from the ā€œtoolā€ shoved in its context! That way, the model can at least handle stuff like basic arithmetic correctly! Except only sometimes, because the models frequently screw up calling the tools correctly or skip using the tool or any number of other completely dumb mistakes. Oh, and if the tool connects the model to the internet (or any insecure source of text) in any way, shape, or form, congratulations, you’ve now got a massive security vulnerability!

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      If you delete account on twitter it doesn’t stay marked as deleted, anyone can register that name later. But this would have had to happen before 2015, if they were EA mockers after that then some kind of takeover seems more likely (who knows how many people posted from there, maybe one of them changed sides for whatever reason and locked out others)

      also, ā€œstealth pandemicsā€ lol try to say nanobot plague without saying nanobot plague

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    From the inimitable writers of AI2027, we now have…

    AI2040!

    https://ai-2040.com/

    Typical nonsense. Among other things they are talking 6fold increase in GDP by 2032 in their scenario, MOSTLY driven by neural networks generating text (and one extra currrent GDP driven by robots) and median personal income being 1 million dollars (inflation adjusted) by 2035.

    I am particularly amused that they have all the politicking happening in the next presidential administration rather than this year so they can pretend that all their governmental fantasies will happen because someone sane will naturally come to the conclusions they would.

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      Oh man, the ā€œPost ASIā€ epilogue is a trip. Here’s what happens in 2040:

      Space beyond the solar system is divided into parcels, increasing in size cubically with distance from Earth. Everyone is given their one-ten-billionth share as a portfolio of lottery tickets, each representing the right to one-ten-billionth chance of getting each parcel. So every human gets a ticket representing a one-ten-billionth chance of owning each star in the Milky Way and each distant galaxy.

      Before the lottery is drawn, most people who are interested in control over distant space choose to trade their tickets for space properties that suit their interests.

      Many people aren’t interested in the space lottery, so when they receive the tickets, they sell their tickets for money on the open market to people who value control over space. Somewhat uncomfortably, this leads to the wealthy having disproportionate control over cosmic resources. But it is hard to avoid: if people are allowed to trade their control over the stars for Earth assets, then people wealthy in Earth assets inevitably end up disproportionately influential, and proposals for extreme redistribution of Earth assets have already been rejected as politically infeasible.

      You can, if you want, go to your space property and live there. If your property is outside the solar system, you will need to either go into cryosleep or upload yourself to a computer to survive the journey. If you hate the idea of cryosleep or uploading, or you want to visit Earth regularly, you should get property in the Solar System. If those don’t bother you, but you’re worried about nearby aliens, get property in the Milky Way or a nearby galaxy. Otherwise, why not claim a distant galaxy for maximal space?

      Good god, these people have no idea what the universe is or what they even are, do they?

      Also, holy capitalist realism Batman

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        If your property is outside the solar system, you will need to either go into cryosleep or upload yourself to a computer to survive the journey.

        Reminder that rationalists have developed a completely mysticalised conception of brain uploading that’s very functionally similar with old timey souls, mostly so they don’t need to deal with the SOMA problem of every instance of uploaded consciousness being a completely separate self-actualised entity.

        Like how exactly is a digital impression of my personality being shipped to alpha centauri to inspect my holdings affect my personal experience? How is it supposed to be interchangeable with using some other made up technology that takes me there in person?

        See, it works like this, no one knows what consciousness is, but it’s probably a mathematical object, and if your current conscious self is the same as the conscious self that will be inhabiting your body next friday, and also if a supreme being wants to torture you after you are dead…

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        Also, holy capitalist realism Batman

        In between this, their cap-and-trade plan for AI regulation (which is a very market-centered attempt at regulation), their insistent terminology of ā€œcitizens dividendā€ (because even UBI is apparently too left wing for them, much less scary communist words like collective ownership), and some other word choices… it is like they are so capitalists brain rotted that even imagining non-capitalist systems is harder for them than believing in the coming AGI God.

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        I lost all my space lottery chances and ended up buying a cheap galaxy off of e-bay but when I finally woke up after a billion years of cryo-sleep it turns out that that the AI probe sent to my section of space made a space-treaty with the local aliens so now I have to turn around and fly home but by the time I get back to earth the sun will be halfway on it’s way to exploding which is kind of a bummer.

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          You can, if you want, design a utopian society to your specifications. Once the Von Neumann probes reach your property, they’ll build it for you. You can set the initial conditions and let them grow, reflect, and flourish on their own

          Good news once I got back to earth e-bay still exists and my Nintendo stocks had appreciated enough to buy another distant galaxy! However three billion years of cyro-sleep has warped my personality so now I will rule my galaxy with an iron fist as a space queen. Space law only says:

          1. No torture or slavery
          2. Space property rights

          So I shall not rule through torture or slavery, but through fear and only giving my enemies property rights to individual cells on my prison planet!

          That said, note that with superintelligent assistance, other people will probably be able to eventually figure out what you did, and judge you for it.

          ā€œOh no I feel so judgedā€ I say as I use my property rights to tell those other losers not to send radio-waves or subspace comms into my galaxy.

          (Wait this is supposed to be the good ending?)

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      There’s a corresponding siskind post also called something something plan A, I skimmed until the part where the US and China take de facto control of chip infrasrtucture and distribution (saying ā€œnationaliseā€ is haram for free market types), basically imagine having to write a letter to the government to formally justify upgrading your computer, and that’s all the AI fanfiction I can tolerate without ruining my breakfast.

      Also clanker crankers appropriating the term ā€˜Golden Path’ from Dune is just distasteful.

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      My favorite part was the section where they worked out the logistics of China hiding a data center inside of a mountain.

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        I like how Yud’s rogue data center air raid task force is gradually becoming another weird rationalist accepted truth.

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          Yeah, they’ve internalized their own fiction and fantasies so heavily they forget when they are talking about something they made up and not something real. And in turn, they forget to explain their terms for normies and ridicule commenters that can’t keep up with their lore.

          Like in the comments and discussion for AI: 2040 on lesswrong, in response to a heavily downvoted comment, they treated ā€œneuraleseā€ like an obviously real thing just around the corner that will solve chain of thought. Or assuming continual learning is obviously just one or two inventions away and not a fundamentally missing feature of LLMs that no one has a good solution to.

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        The benefit of putting your predictions 15-30 years in the future is that people forget them by the time the deadline comes around and you can pivot more easily and also claim credit for the few successful predictions while all your failures are forgotten. The AI: 2027 could learn from Kurzweils’ example, except apparently you can just keep claiming credit for being right even when your wrong prediction is only a few years old!

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        @Soyweiser Last timer I looked (probably around 2001) I seem to recall Kurzweil was saying AGI and brain uploading by 2025. He’s basically selling Christian evangelical premillennialism, minus the Baby Jeezus.

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          Looked on wikipedia, and there they said 2045, so he prob is just saying whatever, nobody (important) will judge him for all the bad predictions after all.

          Just like the 2027/2040 people

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      Oh damn, they originally said it was gonna be called AI 2030, so they pushed it back a bit

      It’s not a rehash of AI 2027 with moved-back timelines like I thought it would be, instead its what they believe should happen in regards to AI development

      Plan A is our positive vision for what should happen instead. In this scenario, humanity delays the development of superintelligence until 2040, makes all AI research public, allows dozens of companies globally to catch up to the frontier, and intentionally enters a regime of mutually assured compute destruction.

      And in the first footnote:

      So far reality is tracking closer to AI 2027 than even we expected. (2027 was our modal year at time of publication, not our median.)

      According to them, preliminary analysis of the data as of July 2026 says that rate of progress is 75% of AI 2027. This says Daniel K only believes in a 25% chance of AGI by the end of 2027, their model also hasn’t changed so their medians are still shown as beyond 2027. Footnote 11 also flat-out says they have no idea how much things will keep progressing

      I’m not gonna be able to go through the whole thing because busy today, but those are my observations based off a quick glance

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        So far reality is tracking closer to AI 2027 than even we expected. (2027 was our modal year at time of publication, not our median.)

        They aren’t even trying to hide the fact that their predictions have already failed but instead claiming victory.

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          Should’ve left in the full footnote:

          ā€The AI 2027 scenario is still roughly what we expect the future to look like: a mad scramble to superintelligence leading to either AI takeover or extreme concentration of power. So far reality is tracking closer to AI 2027 than even we expected. (2027 was our modal year at time of publication, not our median.) You can read more about our views on timelines here and here.ā€

          So yeah you’re bang on the money. Funny how they went on a press tour hyping up Kokotajlo as a forecaster and claiming that dismissing AI 2027 as hype was a ā€œgrave mistakeā€ to ā€œyeah we did not expect for it to follow our predictionsā€ and still being slower than what they predicted

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        Piggybacking off myself to say that the way they wrote the update on their 2025 review is weird. I’m assuming that they mean 2025 was 65% pace but 2026 crept up to 75%, but the way they wrote it makes me think that they actually meant to say ā€œwe originally thought 2025 was 65%, but new data shows it was actually 75%ā€ which would be odd, I’m still assuming the former since it makes more sense to me (they also drop it with zero elaboration like, what metric increased with this new data since this was an overall % of pace? not to mention the real percentage was 58-66% based off their means and medians so it would actually look like 58-76% pace)

        I mean no matter which way you spin it we’re still going slower than AI 2027, so hooray

        (turned this into a second comment so they first one wouldn’t be a wall of text)

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          It is a joke about how they also look a bit like dildos (and spaceships). A play on ā€˜everything is a dildo if you are brave enough’ with a link to a place you didn’t expect.

          Im using two forms of humor, both humor of repetition of a familiar funny phrase (like asterix and obelix do a lot), and the joke of something being unexpected, like not linking to a dildo, vut spaceships.

          This was your free joke explain post, if you like more jokes explained, subscribe now!

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      That was fantastic. I am so sick of the smarm that’s all over the Bun in Rust project.

      I made the mistake of looking at the orange site and they pinned his response as being an autistic defect. Love to see it. There was also a re-rebuttal from an effective altruist & AI safety blog with more snarky gotchas about the rewrite.

      I literally cannot believe people are looking at this 1 million LoC unsafe{} Jenga tower and taking it seriously. It’s just unacceptable to say anything negative about it at all.

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        they pinned his response as being an autistic defect.

        I think it makes far more sense to pin the temporarily embarrassed millionaires over the orange site as psychopaths and cargo cultists.

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      The part about tasteless AI enthusiasts needing to be housetrained to not post slop on the forums because that’s borderline antisocial was also cool.

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    Another ā€œAI fucked compsci gradsā€ post has hit my eyeballs - this time, it got recommended to me by LinkedIn’s algorithm) (because I’m still on that site for some fucking reason):

    Full Text

    study philosophy, not computer science

    data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York shows that philosophy students have a lower unemployment rate (about 5.1%) than computer science students (7%)

    why?

    unique human judgment, logic, and ethical reasoning are becoming premium assets, and better tech means companies increasingly DON’T need to ask ā€œcan we build this?ā€, and increasingly DO need to ask ā€œshould we build this, and what are the consequences?ā€

    If there has ever been a time to build those soft, truly human, skills, it is now.

    p.s. what do you think is the BEST skill to have right now - my thoughts are in the comments


    This one’s attributing the decline to ā€œunique human judgment, logic, and ethical reasoning becoming premium assetsā€, and her graph comes from The Economist’s Instagram page AFAICT. That one of the Economist’s sources is Anthropic is giving me some hope this is bullshit, but its not much.

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      Nothing in my interactions with humanities types indicates they would be in a better position to handle either the educational slopnami or a slopped out job market.

      As far as educational systems go, ā€œhuman judgment, logic, and ethical reasoningā€ were always left to natural selection instead of being actively pursued. Taking a philosophy course on the history of logic and ethics isn’t the same as having any.

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      Founder @ Egoist Machines, Inc.

      Or is that something more quirky, ā€œEqoist?ā€ Sorry, if you’re making it that easy to misread while I’m having my morning caffeine, I’m not going to do you any favors

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      On one hand, Anthropic sourcing suggests that this is probably at least partially nonsense. On the other hand, though, if there’s any accuracy at all I’m going to spend the rest of my life infuriated that I went down the technical degree route and actively avoided a liberal arts education in order to improve my career outlook and then this happened.

      Like, I don’t think they were trying to mislead but I feel like every guidance counselor for kids ought to have a plaque in their office saying ā€œplease note that the world is complicated, ever-changing, and scary and I might actually have no idea what the fuck I’m talking aboutā€.

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    so its Bad bad now

    Unfortunately for everybody, it’s managed to outperform even the most cynical doomsday forecasts, to the degree that the US economy is now in even worse shape than it was right before an infamous downturn in the late 1920s. That’s according to the Telegraphā€˜s economics columnist Russ Mould, who notes that the overvaluation of US stocks has passed the level that brought the stock market to its knees to kick off the Great Depression.

    The US Treasury has also admitted that the AI bubble poses systemic risks

    get ready for it to get bloody

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      I want to piggyback off this to talk about the inevitable Uber comparisons, because not only is the mismatch between investment and returns several orders of magnitude greater, but there’s also a difference in kind. Uber’s model was to undercut the taxi industry and establish a dependence within their niche before increasing revenues. It’s the classic enshitttification cycle. But the AI plan, at least as advertised, isn’t to undercut a specific industry as much as it is to undercut literally the entire white-collar labor force. There are several problems with this, starting with the fact that the technology isn’t actually able to replace the target in the way it would need to. More significantly, however, is that labor doesn’t work like taxis. If labor can’t get work it shuts down the entire economy because they lose their income and can’t actually consume any of the things the market offers. Also labor tends to get mad and break out the pitchforks and molotovs if things get too bad, and ā€œrestructuring the economy to no longer provide you the means to sustain your familyā€ seems like the kind of situation that definitionally makes things too bad. In either event the point is that even if this tech is somehow as revolutionary as advertised then there’s not really any winning for the company.