- cross-posted to:
- BuyFromEU@europe.pub
- cross-posted to:
- BuyFromEU@europe.pub
Red Bull - European but Far right
Buy European but … Also with ethical considerations.
Red Bull might sound cool, but they have their own TV station in Austria. (servus TV) And that station js beyond far right. Spreading disinformation, and Russian propaganda, Corona Bullshi, Ivermectint, cleaning stuff with chlorid, climate change deniers, … If there is a conspiracy they support it …
(And it’s also not very healthy,…)
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I try to buy european but i think it’s important to remind ourselves that we have shit companies in Europe that don’t deserve our business. Red Bull, Nestlé, Müllermilch all these mf can suck it.
I’d also throw Bayer into that list. Knowingly had HIV contaminated blood, considered the amount of money they’d lose by destroying it, so they supplied it to patients in Latin America and Asia. Bayer considered the investment they had in the contaminated product, decided NOT to destroy it, for profits sake, and infected thousands of people with it. They misrepresented the results to not lose money and killed thousands.
I know pharmaceutical companies is a giant mess, but Bayer is on par with Nestle for me.
Following this logic i’d end up buying nothing or absolute crap. Example: i really liked Kellogg’s corn flakes and i tried to switch to a local brand (Cerealitalia) but unfortunately is tastes bad. In the biggest supermarket of my town it’s Kellogg’s, Nestlè or Cerealitalia so it’s US, shitty company or shitty product. Same goes for Coca Cola: it’s Coca Cola, Pepsi or the coke with the same brand of the supermarket (tastes meh). I’m trying but it’s not easy at all.
i mean, personally if i had to pick between a shitty company and a shitty product, i’d just pick neither unlesa it was a necessity
I’m trying but it’s not easy at all.
I think that’s what it’s about. I am not perfect, your are not, nobody is. Time, money, availability of products and all that are constraints that sometimes just don’t allow for a “good” product. Like someone else here wrote: a marathon not a sprint. I try to be happy about good alternatives that i find and not worry to much where i can’t. After all a trip to the supermarket shouldn’t feel like shit.
What’s up with Müllermilch? I haven’t bought it in a while because it wasn’t very healthy anyway. But i didn’t know the company itself was bad
The CEO meets up with the AfD on the regular to discuss Nazi things.
Owner is cozy with the AFD
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I am permanently banned from making Reddit accounts because I got about 4 of them banned for “promoting violence”.
The violence? Telling people it was a good thing to punch Nazis. Reddit is a Nazi safe space.
Remember when you could say things like “The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi”? Wasn’t even that long ago.
Seriously, fuck Nazis. All of a sudden you’ve got Nazis in government and we’re supposed to act like you should tolerate that shit. Hmmm.
I got a warning for upvoting pro-Canada stuff like “elbows up”. That is apparently promoting violence.
Well yeah, you’re promoting the same kind of violence that Ukraine continues to perpetrate on Russia.
Go fertilize a sunflower, Yuri :)
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“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”
Athur Harris described an element of the fascist mindset to a T with this quote, this bully mentality that can not comprehend the would-be victims fighting back.
I wonder why it applies so thoroughly to Russia?
Yeah, at this point Reddit is a sinking ship. Been using it for so long too. A little sad to see it go, but it’s a shell of what it used to be.
Yikes, Reddit is slowly killing itself. I remember years ago it was more the opposite - there were some seriously disturbing subs because they didn’t want any censorship. Now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction and it’s hard to say anything of substance without getting warned or banned
o Reddit is no place for normal people
Yep, permanently banned here for “ban evasion” though I only know 1 sub I was banned from and I never went there after. That’s okay, helped me quit what is clearly a hollow shell of user participation filled with a corpo bot sludge. It’s really easy to VPN up and make another account anyway, but why play in the garbage heap?
Interestingly, the site wide rules about violence are only supposed to be credible calls to action. Like if someone was actually planning to murder people and coordinating it on the site.
Saying you’d like to punch someone, even if they aren’t a Nazi, isn’t against the rules as they are written. Either they don’t understand their own rules, they are lazy fuckers who don’t want to do their jobs the correct way and actually investigate shit to make sure it actually violates the rules, or they are Nazi pieces of shit.
Not one of these things makes using the site sound like a good idea.
A system is what it does. Action matters more than intent. Reddit bans anti Nazi rhetoric, therefore it is a pro Nazi website.
Don’t lie, it doesn’t.
I was banned for “promoting violence” by saying, in a thread mocking Musk’s AI, that someone managed to get Musk’s AI to say that Musk and Trump deserve the death penalty.
Reddit is 100% defending Nazis by extending their definition of “promoting violence” to extreme lengths if you say something against the oligarchs and nazis but will twiddle their thumbs when people are literally calling to hurt and/or kill immigrants, non-white people or LGBTQ+ people.
Have been writing many times that burgerlanders should eliminate Trump, Musk, etc if they want to have their country. Not once has my account been even suspended. Only where I have been suspended was only Russian - Ukraine war subreddid few times. And last time after appellation they opened again.
My 5 banned accounts would say otherwise.
Well so much of free speach here. Ok, my account is too new here for posting a screenshot. But I was banned from @meme for saying that comminism is not great. So, what we have? In reddit farright as you say and in Lemm farleft?
Without checking, this was probably the .ml version of memes, luckily there are several other meme communities
Checked, yes, it was .ml version:)
I got banned, three times so far, for baiting and calling out ruzzian trolls. Apparently, telling them to go dig a fresh latrine pit for babushka, is inciting violence. Assholes.
I don’t drink Red bull but still would like a more thorough article or information about this
Wikipedia provides a starting point!
I don’t drink it because it’s trash, but I had no idea about any of this. The word needs to be spread.
Servus TV is a TV station based in Wals-Siezenheim in the Austrian state of Salzburgand owned by Red Bull Media House GmbH, a subsidiary of Red Bull GmbH, which also publishes the magazine Servus in Stadt und Land. The station is the successor to Salzburg TV, founded in 1995 and rebranded in 2009. It is politically aligned with the far right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServusTV
C’mon you have the fucking Internet, you can just search this shit yourself if you want more information.
It’s normal to expect from OP to provide source for their claim.
It’s not good to not be able to research yourself.
They asked for more information about a topic in which they were interested, on a forum designed to spread information. I don’t think you can reasonably fault the person asking for more information of being lazy, when the OP could be considered equally lazy for not including the context in the first place, right?
Either way you’re right, being able to look things up is a good skill to have! But maybe don’t be a jerk about it, we left reddit for a reason, right? ;)
Welcome to the spot, you’re absolutely right and the world could use more people that think like you.
For real, keep being you at all costs, you’re awesome.
Lets say 5000 people see this post - should it be normal and expected that 5000 people spend their time hunting down a source to a claim, or have a single OP include it in their post?
Should it be normal or expected that 5000 people read and believe something without self verifying it beyond what could be cherry picked or outright false examples by an OP?
Me when I refuse to admit I’m wrong so I attack the argument I wish they had made vs the point they actually did
Good for you!
No one said they’re unable to research, asking for a source is normal imo. Supporting claims with sources in the first place would be better, the internet is overrun by fake news and lies. Most don’t take the time to research everything they see online. It’s simply a big researchers team’s full time job to research everything you see scrolling 10 minutes on any platform. So when stating a claim or posting a story, you should support it with sources or otherwise you should be asked to do so.
Why would you assume they aren’t able? They just said they’d like more information, not that they can’t go get it themselves…
You can also just ignore them.
C’mon you have the fucking Internet, you can just search this shit yourself if you want more information.
No I don’t think I will.
Damn, “Servus in Stadt und Land” doesn’t even need a translation to realize how racist it is.
I speak german and there is nothing rascist about that sentence.
Maybe next time use a translator just in case before commenting mate. Servus is the name of the TV station, “in city and country” is very hard for me, impossible really, to find anything racist in it.
I grew up in “the city in the country.” Look up “Poway.” It’s a dog whistle. Temecula is doing the same thing.
“Motto: “The City in the Country” ; Location in San Diego County ; Poway, California is located in San Diego County, California.”
"The motto of Temecula, California is “Old Traditions, New Opportunities”
You guys need to catch up with what’s going on.
They’re doing the same exact thing. It’s “make the land I’m from, return to normalcy.”
Servus literally means “Hello” in many German dialects, especially in Austria:
Servus, and various local variants thereof, is a salutation used in many parts of Central and Eastern Europe. It is a word of greeting or parting like the Italian ciao (which also comes from the slave meaning through Venetian s’ciavo).
Also, it is used precisely because most people were servants a dozen or more centuries ago.
That’s only one word in the greeting
It also tastes like shit and is prohibitively expensive compared to many energy drink brands
Also has even higher chances of giving you kidney stones than other sodas iirc
But isn’t that all energy drinks? Not that I have any clue, the only times I ever drank them was when I was 17 and they were mixed with vodka.
The ol’ heart exploder cocktail.
Idk honestly but I have read this factoid specifically about red bull several times on the Internet so it must be true (/s)
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They also support Israel’s apartheid and occupation, they are listed on the NoThanks app.
It’s also owned by the creator of the original Red Bull in Thailand, which is a different company, but it’s named after an extreme right wing paramilitary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Gaurs
Wtffffff
Holy shit what is up with the reddit mods? I posted a screenshot of a Mastodon post there yesterday, that basically said if youre switching us big tech for eu big tech you’re not doing enough and that we have to support decentralized tech. Deleted in 5 minutes because it “posts should be relevant to european made products”
I mean i prefer a faceless capitalist conglomerate from Europe to one from the US but it sure doesn’t feel great.
But also be mindful of the fact that the more rules you add for people to be part of a movement, the less members the movement will have.
The “Buy European” protest is about sending a message of resistance against the current US regime, as well as reducing reliance on US products.
It doesn’t require you to only buy ethically spotless products.
That simply isn’t possible in our system.The post is not a “rule”. OP didn’t even ask people to stop using Red Bull. I’m glad to have more information.
If you really enjoy Red Bull, you’re an adult, make your choices. Personally, I can take it or leave it, so I’ll choose to leave it.
@superkret
I’m more of the avoid-US(-and-some-others) stance.
@SwordOfOtto @EuropeanMade
Red Bull also tastes like shit.
This is disinformation at its finest. Red Bull absolutely does NOT taste like shit. It tastes like piss.
Tell me you’ve never drunken piss, without saying that you’ve never drunken piss. Piss tastes heavenly, compared to Red Bull.
Also, it’s full of sugar and caffeine and is really bad for you.
idk about r/buyFromEU but r/europe on reddit is pretty right-wing
I think the buy EU thing (and for that matter, all this trade war bullshit) is one of those things that claims to be apolitical but is inherently nationalistic and so massively popular with/supported by/in support of the authoritarian right.
One of those salt of saturn political things that lets people pretend they aren’t right-wing.
we shouldn’t dismiss the movement as a whole just because some rightwingers are a part of it, but our choices with regard to consumption should be more nuanced than America bad, Europe good.
The idea of buying something only because it’s made in a certain country is nationalistic on its own
True. If the movement was called boycott facists, or even buy local I don’t think there would be the same problem.
Right-wing is when not wanting to buy from fascists
Exactly what I am talking about. Plenty of facists in the EU, plenty of non-facists outside the EU. Make your decision based on the politics of the people you are buying from, not what flag they wrap around themselves.
That’s not really how it works… I mean sure, avoid nestle and red Bull, but that’s a separate decision
The point is that fascism is not unique to the US, i.e. not everyone from the US is fascist and the EU also has fascists. To imply that universally EU=good and US=bad is nationalistic. Just be aware thay this sentiment may also attract people who join out of a sense of national pride rather than anti-fascism.
The US is lead by a fascist and a fascist party. Most of the EU isn’t. I also don’t buy stuff from Italy for the same reason.
So you don’t buy anything from Italy?
Yes
You can’t take things out of context. There’s currently a far right US presidents creating an economical war with the historical allies and economical partners of his country. The point of boycotting is to try to prove him wrong about thinking that he can impose his wishes by force, the target is him and his government, not the US people in general. There’s also the hope that weakening him could allow a political change next term, which would make things better for our American friends. Of course it is political, but it’s against Trump, not the people.
There are countries that arent in Europe
If it’s not from USA (or sometimes China), it’s fine… Idk why they didn’t name it avoid Usa Products or sth
I thought BuyFromEU was more about avoid US products… You know, because the Trump antiques and the corporatism there
It always had some shifty people but it got so much worse after they shut down the sub and later re-opened
If Germany’s CDU had a Reddit wing, r/Europe would be it lmao
By right wing, do you mean right of Marxism or do you have some example of conservatism?
no, I mean that there is plenty of racism on r/europe and the mods tolerate it
Really? I said that we should limit migration EU wide and I got perma banned… r/Europe is not right wing at all
Well, for one there’s the constant love of the MIC (no criticism allowed), then there’s the ever present transphobia and homophobia (exhibit A, exhibit B, exhibit C, exhibit D), then the anti-immigrant/xenophobic stuff (example, you can see a lot of “they’re erasing our identity blablabla” bullshit there). Most threads have some right wing idiots.
No, they’re solidly right wing, perhaps the mods aren’t as much, but the people there definitely are.
Without reading the actual post, and my sole reaction to the thread title is: you can purchase Reddit mods?
Where is the post?
I meant the thread title… my bad.
10 to 15 years back when I still watched tv, I loved Servus TV: news, lots of documentaries, reports and some panel shows. Like, TV before enshittification. Absolutely nothing even remotely close to what this post is suggesting. Has it gone down since then, or is this post misinformation? Can anybody who’s still watching TV confirm this?
Misinformation, I’ll refer to my other comment https://mander.xyz/comment/17586770
The cheap LIDL alternative is super good, just like Freeway Cola wich is also super good.
Kong Strong. And it’s like half a euro at my Lidl.
Wait really? I live in the US granted but I don’t want to support any company that does heinous shit like this.
It’s greatly exaggerated, on ServusTV they just have all kind of people, so sometimes stupid people are there too. They have this format „Rechts-Links-Mitte“ (right left center) where they typically have around five people with heavily varying positions discussing with each other. So no, it’s not them supporting conspiracies but rather trying to find people for these discussions. On the other hand it means that the others get the chance to debunk fake news and conspiracies in those discussions, potentially getting viewers to change their position. You don’t achieve that by making these people not watch any discussions because “their guy” isn’t there anyway.
Before our election I liked watching their news since the ORF (öffentlich rechtlicher Rundfunk - our official TV where all the important stuff is) only talked about what’s wrong with so many people to make them vote for the FPÖ (far right party) and how they could be made reasonable again (blame on the people for voting for that party) while Servus TV talked about why people are voting for them and what other parties potentially could change to gain them back (blame on the parties for making decisions that led to losing voters to the FPÖ) (to clarify, I didn’t vote for the FPÖ and never world, I’m heavily opposing quite a few of their policies - regardless I can’t deny that they wouldn’t be as strong if our other parties acted differently, many people simply are voting for the FPÖ to express their protest which is why its good to discuss about what the other parties should change).
ServusTV also has great documentaries (mostly about Austria and neighbouring countries, for example about a group of mountains (sometimes even singular mountains), or about hiking trails, mountainbiking routes, ski touring, climbing, about a river, a lake, a city, a castle, a church, …).
My favourite aspect is that Red Bull heavily invests in sports, sponsoring many people that wouldn’t be able to follow their (often niche) sport without them.
Absolutely not a company that deserves a boycott imo. (I don’t buy anything from them though because I usually only drink water.)
That’s a half truth.
In that Format mentioned, they always make sure to have a 4 to 1 superiority in numbers against any center or left people and also only have them there for show. It is designed to tell people, that they are open for discussion. But in truth they spread far right propaganda and Russian propaganda. (Which is the same in Austria, since the FPÖ is famously “brought” and backed bay Putin.).
Recently their main host description of Ukraine was “drug fueled Nazi war mongers who attacked Russia”.
Is it like Jubilee?
I have a hard time believing that, where did they say that?
And no, it’s simply not true that they’re making that 4 to 1 to the right, unless they changed that since December (haven’t watched R-L-M lately). At least until November it usually was balanced, so the occasional anti-mainstream people got fact checked quickly by the four others.
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They aren’t pushing the government to do anything? But one of the most common reasons why people vote for the FPÖ is protest against the other parties (yes, it’s a stupid way to protest), so maybe talking about what they could potentially change to gain their voters back is a good thing.
This sounds dangerous tbh. I do not really watch ServusTV, nor do I know much about Red Bull business practices but stuff like the “Rechts-Links-Mitte” format sounds like they’re giving right wing extremists a platform to spread their misinformation and rhetoric. It might sound like a good idea to have opinions from all different kinds of people but media companies should have a moral duty to educate viewers and not foster misinformation by acknowledging every single opinion. That’s why you should be careful with things like these.
Furthermore the wikipedia article does mention ServusTV spreading misinformation about the covid vaccines, citing DerStandard and Tagesschau articles from 2021.
So all in all it seems the political reports on ServusTV should be taken with some suspicion. That does not mean they can’t have nice documentaries or sport broadcasts though.
As for Red Bull, they can’t really let ServusTV spread misinformation without actually supporting it. Probably makes them more money in some way. Might be a good idea to try out a suitable alternative energy drink if there is one.
It’s a double edged sword, yes. But in times like these (internet) people can present their views regardless, so I’d say its nice when they’re doing it somewhere where well-articulated and science-backed views get presented too and they can be fact checked. That’s how you win back people before they’re too deep in the rabbit hole, on the internet they quickly just fall into an echo chamber, only getting recommended similar articles, videos, … to the ones that they’re already reading/watching.
For people like me in the other hand it’s interesting to see from which kind of people they got some of their world views and makes it easier to prepare arguments against them.
I’d simply say discussions are a good thing for a democracy, I really don’t like the mindset of simply letting people fall out of touch with any mainstream information (which is mainstream for a reason) once they reject it on one topic. That leads to polarisation, radicalisation and a rising amount of voters for the pro-Russian parties.
Trump also would never have won if the USA wasn’t so polarised.
Dude, they literally invite some of the biggest names in modern Eurofascism to be on their shows. The English-language portion on ServusTV’s politics is just a short introduction. Switch to the German-language one for greater depth.
I’ve watched them in the past myself for their mountaineering programs, but after learning about their far-right connections, I’m unlikely to do so again. Because, even in that sense, the mountaineering connection becomes quite suspect given the historical ties between fascist ideology, aesthetics and the mountains of southern Germany/Austria. Susan Sontag outlined it better than I can.
I didn’t know redbull was European and I didn’t know servus tv belonged to redbull
Red bull is original thai
