Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.
Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youāll near-instantly regret.
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned so many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
Thereās aā¦ robust debate about LLM slop submissions on everyoneās favorite boiled crustacean site.
First shot fired: a promptfondler suggest suppressing all comments pointing out that a submission reeks of slop by flagging them as āoff-topicā [1]
āThis is written by an LLMā comments should be flagged as off-topic (80 net upvotes, 139 comments)
Riposte: a suggestion that posing LLM generated content should be a bannable offence:
LLM generated submissions should be disallowed (274 net upvotes, 108 comments)
So far it looks as if the anti-slop forces have opinion on their side.
[1] short explanation of how flagging of comments work on lobste.rs - itās sort of a downvote, but the flagger has to chose from a list of reasons. If a commenter accrues enough flags theyāll get a red warning banner, and might possibly be banned as disruptive.
A prominent cloud engineer had a sizeable subthread where they were skeptical about the entire idea of Quality as something that humans can discern and rank. Through what I presume was a nat 20, I threw a philosophy book at them and they appear to have responded by deleting the worst of their comments, particularly the ones where he admits to quoting chatbots, and deactivating their account. This may be the first time that quoting Pirsig has won an argument, TBH.
This was after a weekās vacation caused by a thread that is still too hot to deeplink, where I had multiple comments removed by mods and still won the argument. I am currently once again the second-most-flagged user with like 25 flags in the last month. āThe things I do for love.ā
OK hereās a followup, which Iām putting out here as thereās probably a higher proportion of neurodivergent people here than in other fora I frequent
A commenter on lobste.rs states that being anti-LLM is effectively being against neurodivergent individuals, because many such individuals express themselves in prose in a way thatās indistinguishable from LLM output.
Is this a widespread viewpoint?
https://lobste.rs/s/wee21u/this_is_written_by_llm_comments_should_be#c_nadrad
I was trying to reply by way of linking a piece by Robert Kingett that had been shared here some time ago that, in excruciating detail and with righteous fury distilled to cold analysis, explained why AI is absolute shit for accessibility aids. His experience is in the realm of physical disability rather than neurodivergance, but that only makes the problems more starkly illustrated rather than unique.
Unfortunately I couldnāt find that piece, but I found this one and needed to explain to the kid why I randomly laughed out loud.
I recall seeing someone elsewhere on the fedi trying to drum up a point like that a few weeks ago, their complaint was something like āIāve been chased out of neurodivergent spaces for not being enough into LLMsā
No idea if their claim was true; I can definitely see the possibility of some ND neurotypes slanting more favourable, but nfi on the values
Not sure I buy the ground for that argument anyway tho. Lotta people used to smoke and society slapped all manner of regulation on that
this is obvious bullshit: theoretically, my writing is affected by two factors that might skew the assessment towards it having been generated by an llm: iām neurodivergent (adhd) and english is not my native language ā and i was never accused of using synthetic text generatorsā¦
I called it out as lies and bullshit, the poster asserted it was totally true and I asked for numbers to support this statistical claim.
And instead of providing numbers, they came back with an anecdote about university administrators being incompetent (which is deeply unsurprising and thus, in the Shannon sense, conveys no information).
hereās another commenter saying being against LLMs is being against the otherly abled:
https://lobste.rs/c/rn9mo4
(commenter is a notorious promptfondler)
And hereās someone saying that āclankerā is a slur (they misread ācrankā)
https://lobste.rs/c/2ugxop
I donāt wanna sound paranoid but is there something about this cute catgirl persona that feels a bit fake?