• arsCynic@lemmy.ml
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      where do you put the cars then

      Into the car-to-bike conversion machine; FuckCars™.

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      Underground if you really need them. In a city, a lot of people won’t need cars every day.

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      To some people the question of “where do you put the cars?” is more important than the question “where do we house the people?”

      It’s bizarre.

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        I’m convinced that to many Americans, there’s no difference, and that their mental image of a person includes four wheels. (And that a human without a car is not a person, as in, not deserving of moral comsideration.)

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          I’m convinced that many people who’ve never lived in the southern USA have absolutely no concept of how viable public transportation doesn’t fucking exist, yet housing is typically 30-40 minutes from where business center locations are.

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              Do people typically live that close to where they work though? All my coworkers live out of town, 30 min to 2 hours away by car.

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              Never been to Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville, Tampa, or any city in the south huh?

              You’re pretty much who my comment was about. My comment wasn’t in response to a picture, it was in response to uninformed people.

              There’s a TON of people in the south that cannot escape for financial reasons. They’d much rather not have to drive everywhere. I’m 100% against victim shaming, which is what I took SwingingTheLamp’s comment to be.

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            You say that like the reason for those things isn’t because of the design of the cities. It is exactly advocating for the car centric design that keeps it car centric down here. Sincerely somebody who’s lived in the south their whole life but doesn’t think cars should define your life

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            Yeah, I have to spend two hours on the bus when it takes half an hour to drive downtown. They have great bus service if you’re within walking distance of the downtown area, but until earlier this year the last bus home left the station at 4p. Now the last bus home leaves at 6p.

            I haven’t owned a car in a while, and I cannot even find a job because employers don’t want to work around the useless bus schedule.

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                Sort of? I used to have a regular bicycle, but the route with the least grade is also the truck route with no shoulders on parts of it. I quit biking after I got run off the road by a semi, so I think the main problem is just a lack of infrastructure.

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                  Correct, but until you can fix the larger systemic issue, a 2-wheeler helps shield you from the monthly cost, stress of finding parking, traffic, etc when living in a carcentric hell.

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                PNW sadly enough. The fuckin neolibs running the area are using public transit to virtue signal how green they are without actually spending the money to make it actually effective. Gotta look good, so there’s multiple 15min bus lines, but it only covers a couple square miles, so nobody wants to pay the $2 when they could just walk.

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                  I almost moved to Seattle a few years ago. I loved Seattle, but I wanted to explore what was outside of Seattle. I could tell pretty quickly that the state of Washington wanted to consolidate it’s tax dollars in Seattle as much as possible to the detriment of the rest of the state that wasn’t Seattle.

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            And that forces you to treat people without cars as sub-human? No sympathy, or even empathy, for people who have to navigate such a landscape without one?

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              What does your comment have to do with what I said? I genuinely do not understand what you are trying to correlate here…

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        to be fair there is enough vacant homes already in a lot of the metropolises around the world. just poorly distributed.

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          There is a lot of vacant houses. When you narrow that down to “long term vacancies in metropolises” the number goes down , and by no small amount

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            so its more of a fucklandlords and fuckthehousingbubble than fuckcars really, if we look at it close enough

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              No, absolutely fuck cars, cars are worse than landlords… Might be a hot take but the cars and urban spread that cars allow do more damage than landlords

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                while i certainly think there are far more cars distributed amongst people than needed, i don’t think they should go alltogether, as they still have their usecases (certainly not a personal everyday mode of transport tho). Housing problem, on the other hand, is more immediate:

                if i go to a new city, i won’t give a single smallest flying fuck about cars, if i won’t be able to find myself a place to live.

                So yeah, absolutely fuck the landlords and the real estate agencies.

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                  More immediate issue isn’t necessarily a less important or less worse issue. Cars have much greater long term impacts on the ability of a population to be restrained by debt, damage to the environment, and hurt smaller economic ecosystems that are important for robust cities and towns.

                  I’m not saying don’t fuck the landlords I’m saying they’re a less important issue.

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            There is a super easy fix for that when using sarcasm in writing but people refuse to use it for some reason and then complain when they get downvoted.

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              The fix is having a brain on behalf of the reader. Writing is the superior communication method.

              • athatet@lemmy.zip
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                It’s incredibly difficult to tell sarcasm in writing because it is most often done in a different tone of voice or inflection. Pray tell, in what way does one convey tone of voice or inflection when writing?

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                  I don’t even agree with your premise - Sarcasm is conveyed and deciphered primarily via context clues and tone and expectations set by the context juxtaposed with both the tone and content of the message.

                  The tone of voice is the spoken equivalent of the sitcom laugh track and is really only there to absolutely make sure everyone is on the same page.

                  I have absolutely zero trouble reading The Onion’s or Hard Drive Mag’s satire even without knowing that’s where it came from and understanding it as not being literal. I also have never seen sarcasm indicated with the /s tag outside of Reddit.

                  My coworkers frequently write sarcastically in casual chat at work and not once has anyone suffixed it with some tag, and I literally do not even know what they sound like at all.

                  Even on Reddit itself, that practice was only ever adopted as a way to keep out brigading/raids by bad-faith (often political) trolls who hide behind the veil of sarcasm. Same as the much more recent phenomenon of /uj and /rj tags being adopted on many circlejerk/parody subs

                  Over time the meaning probably got lost and ossified into “no one can understand sarcasm” or “no one can read”. I suggest you read more.

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        That’s the version of the Jetsons Hanna-Barbera didn’t have the balls to make. In the original version of the intro, George has a car that folds up into a briefcase-sized object, light as a feather. In the alternate universe version, it just keeps folding, then small enough that it just flies right up George’s ass. No need to carry it around. When you need it, you call to it, and it flies out and unfolds. It stays clean due to future tech. And it’s been done for so long it’s just socially considered normal. In the alternate Jetsons future, people just carry their cars right up their asses.

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      Seriously! I get that we’re in a severe housing crisis, many people can barely afford rent and the homeless population is ever expanding, but won’t anyone think of the cars?

      Anyways, if you can’t afford an apartment, you can always sleep in your car! You can’t drive an apartment, checkmate liberals 😎

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      We had a similar issue in Boston like 20 years ago. There was all this undeveloped land on the southern edge of downtown from closed down former port and industrial areas. Then the city wanted to redevelop it, but everyone complained about losing thousands of low cost parking spaces.

      Now we see it was a good choice with an active newly developed part of the city and a couple additional subway lines. It really is better for most people to commute by train

      The only real objection now is how could we have developed a new part of the city without building a subway there. Stupid bus is stupid

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      Maybe don’t drive in the dense urban downtown.

      Commuter? Park at the park and ride in your suburb or something

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      Just leave it at home or get rid of it. Buy an e-motorcycle and enjoy saving fuckloads of money long term. Even better take public transport if its available.