Him and his supporters. It wasn’t just the Capitol, it was the fake electors, the pressuring of his VP not to certify, the “find me more votes” call to governors, etc. There are no consequences for this fuck…
It really solidifies our judicial system as a joke. I hope he’s eaten by fears of extrajudicial remedies, but he honestly seems too stupid to understand the risk.
Maybe he can get scared enoug at shadows for his burger-fattened heart to give in and do the job without landing anyone in jail.
As for Vance, that one might need more… convincing. Maybe we can find a couch with some novel and deadly STD for him?
… and are refusing even now at the state level. Ohai, NC, we see you.
I wonder if Blue states will be sort of protected like last time. Relatively protected.
I’m quickly becoming a Federalist in the sense that I just want to be left alone in my state that still has environmental protections and fuck Alabama or whoever.
I started out as a centralist in 2016 and now I’m a full on anti-state autonomous rule anarchist lol.
People like trump being elected radicalised me.
HA. Same. Isn’t it funny to be warned by the prior generation about “big government” only to have them purposefully fuck it up to prove the point?
I’m reasonably fine with my governor, comparatively.
I went from Social Democrat -> Marxist -> Anarchist 😭
Thanks Trump (and becoming homeless at one point) for radicalising me.
Ultimately, I think we’d both agree a cabin out in the woods, maybe with solar panels, would be the best form of government, wouldn’t you say? 😀
Same!
Don’t worry Democrats will run Hillary in 2028, surely she’ll win this time!
DNC staff: if you’re reading this - this is a joke. We do not in fact want Hillary Clinton to run. Please. No.
4 fears later: Oh ffs…
Hillary Clinton won by nearly 3 million votes.
Love that democracy in action
In 2028 Democrats will run Eric Trump (Don Jr for the red team).
Cute you think there will be a free election in 2028 lol
Ah yes, we can now see she simply wasn’t old enough yet
Please not her. Find somebody younger!
Ah yes, Dems adhere to longstanding norms and lose while Republicans lie, cheat, exploit, steal, and win. What a fun game.
If there is nothing in place to prevent the lieing, cheating, and stealing then you’re really just putting yourself at a disadvantages by not doing it.
I don’t want my representatives to break the law. Crazy, I know. But what if there was a middle ground between doing nothing for 4 years and committing federal crimes…?
You mean actual work? Are you for real?
There are but the Dems refused to use them.
at this point the media and internet is mostly dominated by republican sympathetic sycophants, its going to be incredibly hard for the democrats to ever win again. they’re going to do everything in their power to move the peices to secure the GOP’s control indefinetely, so that even once Trump is dead, they’ll still win the elections. because guess what, people are fickle, petty, and stupid. and its very easy to use the media, TV Internet or otherwise, to sway opinions.
I am not blind that this is likely just as much Foreign involvement as it is domestic action. Russia is pulling a lot of the puppet strings behind this movement. So much so that I think they even have leverage on not just Trump, but probably Elon Musk too. Elon is small potatoes compared to the wealth of Vladimir Putin, a man who stole from a cartoonishly wealthy in material country for 25 years and put it straight into his pockets.
The problem with foreign voices contributing is they have actual malicious intent. You wouldn’t want a phycopath to follow your little brother around and tell them to kill themselves constantly, even trying to justify why they should.
By normalizing these behaviours yhu create the moral and political framework in which your opponent thrives. Fascist dont need to win. They can just wait for “Democrats” to dismantle themselves.
Also pretending like the Democratic party isnt big on lying, cheating and stealing too, does not help either. They lost because what they pretended to be and what they really are disparged a lot. The Trumpists are honest about who they are, so they attract the same kind of people, wheras the Dems did everything to alienate people with morals.
And then the Dems turned around and attacked the minorities they pretended to want to protect from Trump, because they didnt suck up to them anymore.
Trumpists are honest about who they are
I could not disagree more. They are unashamed about their behavior but they are not honest.
They already thrive, so what’s the point of not doing it?
lieing
It’s “lying”. It’s spelled the same as lying (down).
What you going to do, report me?
No, sir, you are under arrest. 👮♀️🚔🚨
What I like is the speech Kamela gave afterwards about fighting for your rights. Do you even see yourself, “democrats”, and what you have become!? I’ll be proven wrong if “democracy”, or what passes for it in the current oligarchy, manages to survive a Trump presidency. I don’t think I will be, I think this is really it.
Another moral victory for Democrats. If only such victories mattered.
Imagine a tug of rope where only one side is pulling.
The other side just pushed the rope, it doesn’t necessarily put the other side at any more of an advantage than just letting go, but it absolutely puts you at a disadvantage because well, you just can’t be bothered to pull that rope as well as signalling you’re not willing to play the game. Rejecting progressives was pushing the rope, Liz fucking Cheney and all the Republican pandering was pushing the rope. The last minute drop out was pushing the rope.
I’m not giving these shitters another vote until they run serious progressive politicians and policies. We are at rock bottom, and I’ll be damned if I enable this shit again.
Use the intervening years to vote in local politics, primaries, whatever else you have. Take action, don’t just wait for the next presidential election to make a vacuous point of non-participation. Boycotting votes does no good, and in a top-heavy system, handing over control of the top to the still objectively worse side is too much of a gamble, but building progressive support from the ground up is not just safer, it may also make the bend-overs worry about their own dominance enough to start at least holding the rope and make life a little harder for the other side.
Also, support whatever measures you find to abolish FPTP. It’s the reason the whole thing is a tug of war in the first place. Just about any alternative is better.
This stuff annoys me so much. I would not vote for them if they acted like republicans.
Over 90 million eligible voters didn’t vote for either Trump or Harris in 2024. If Democrats had managed to get just a few percent of those people to vote for them in key swing districts, she would have won. I think they could have done that without having to “act like Republicans.”
When you poll people on the policies, progressive policy polls at over 80%
Hell, just supporting a gaza ceasefire would have gotten her Michigan.
Given the foreign influences to weaken the U.S., media control of the news by corporations, gerrymandering and fox media disinformation, it’s not surprising. Biden could have cured cancer, eliminated world hunger and given free eggs to everyone and he would have still lost.
given free eggs to everyone
I’m torn between “big poultry”, “commie” and vegan jokes here.
“He’s just trying to get us all addicted to eggs”
“There’s no such thing as free eggs, bloody commies”
“Eggs? So much for the libs and their veganism”
exactly. although I think the fault may more fall on the folks that want trump in office. I think they are called republicans. The way I hear it they are responsible for 100% of republican victories and indeed the republicans would not even exist except due to the voting habits of people who vote for them.
It’s really a chicken and egg question. Republicans vote for Republican leaders. Why? Well, largely because they are uninformed about how bad those leaders are for everyone. Why are they uninformed? Republican leaders have savagely gutted both the media and education system, ensuring the average American remains uninformed. Therefore uninformed Americans vote Republican against their own interest because the Republicans are right there ready with the catcher’s mitt to receive the results of their investment - that being uneducated, underinformed Americans who are easily propagandized and who lack the tools or knowledge to read between the lines. Couple this with regular statements that “the enemy” will try to lie to you, and you have all these people like clay in your hands. They’ll believe anything you tell them on the news, and disbelieve anything anyone else says merely on the grounds of “Fox News didn’t tell me that was true”. And that right there is your core Republican voting bloc. That’s 78 year old Auntie Mabel who doesn’t really know what all is going on but the TV tells her that Mr Trump will make the economy better. That’s also Jimbob Truknuttz who shoots 200 rounds of 22LR at a photo of Joe Biden every day because his TV and his friends have taught him that liberals are a threat to his way of life. Brad Dudeguy, 28 year old cis white male, thinks the gays and the transes are freaks because the news his parents watch present them as sexual terrorists every single night. Rico Chavez was born in Texas after his parents immigrated from Mexico, and they don’t have big opinions about politics, but everyone in his neighborhood has Trump signs up so he and his parents go with the crowd.
This is an entire class of people built and bred for the purpose of voting republican. They get their hooks in from literal birth, controlling not only the schooling and local media access of the child but also the availability, or rather lack thereof, of contraceptives for the parents, all but ensuring more children - ergo more republican voters down the line. It is a propaganda pipeline that would be actually impressive if not for its abject evil. If they put this amount of effort into actually educating their citizens properly we could be decades ahead of where we are currently. But instead they maintain this repressive environment because it all but guarantees indoctrination of future voters. Those who don’t fit in will frequently move away to a different more like-minded area, or (perhaps more frequently, in some areas) will be killed by the locals, either police or gangs (biker or otherwise) or just regular old domestic violence - either way, dangerously open minded folks will be weeded out of the population naturally. What remains is a self reinforcing bubble of whatever you can feed these folks on the trusted evening “news”. This picture that I’ve painted encompasses wide swaths of rural America, mostly across the south and Midwest but definitely not limited to there.
It’s not just education. There is also a large portion of the population who prefers to live under authoritarians.
Read the book the authoritarians by bob altemeyer. It’s free online. It explains these people far better than I can.
I think that is it though and the rest can let them win or not. For my part its unacceptable for them to win but im obviously in the minority here and 8 years ago and 24 years ago and 20 years ago.
It’s really a chicken and egg question. Republicans vote for Republican leaders. Why? Well, largely because they are uninformed about how bad those leaders are for everyone. Why are they uninformed? Republican leaders have savagely gutted both the media and education system, ensuring the average American remains uninformed. Therefore uninformed Americans vote Republican against their own interest because the Republicans are right there ready with the catcher’s mitt to receive the results of their investment - that being uneducated, underinformed Americans who are easily propagandized and who lack the tools or knowledge to read between the lines.
Couple this with regular statements that “the enemy” will try to lie to you, and you have all these people like clay in your hands. They’ll believe anything you tell them on the news, and disbelieve anything anyone else says merely on the grounds of “Fox News didn’t tell me that was true”. And that right there is your core Republican voting bloc. That’s 78 year old Auntie Mabel who doesn’t really know what all is going on but the TV tells her that Mr Trump will make the economy better. That’s also Jimbob Truknuttz who shoots 200 rounds of 22LR at a photo of Joe Biden every day because his TV and his friends have taught him that liberals are a threat to his way of life. Brad Dudeguy, 28 year old cis white male, thinks the gays and the transes are freaks because the news his parents watch present them as sexual terrorists every single night. Rico Chavez was born in Texas after his parents immigrated from Mexico, and they don’t have big opinions about politics, but everyone in his neighborhood has Trump signs up so he and his parents go with the crowd.
This is an entire class of people built and bred for the purpose of voting republican. They get their hooks in from literal birth, controlling not only the schooling and local media access of the child but also the availability, or rather lack thereof, of contraceptives for the parents, all but ensuring more children - ergo more republican voters down the line. It is a propaganda pipeline that would be actually impressive if not for its abject evil. If they put this amount of effort into actually educating their citizens properly we could be decades ahead of where we are currently.
But instead they maintain this repressive environment because it all but guarantees indoctrination of future voters. Those who don’t fit in will frequently move away to a different more like-minded area, or (perhaps more frequently, in some areas) will be killed by the locals, either police or gangs (biker or otherwise) or just regular old domestic violence - either way, dangerously open minded folks will be weeded out of the population naturally. What remains is a self reinforcing bubble of whatever you can feed these folks on the trusted evening “news”. This picture that I’ve painted encompasses wide swaths of rural America, mostly across the south and Midwest but definitely not limited to there.
I added a couple more paragraphs to your comment so it’s easier to read. Peace.
although I think the fault may more fall on the folks that want trump in office.
Sure, but there isn’t anything the Democrats can do about those people, other than, I suppose, to try and change their mind somehow, or, I guess to try and get Trump to run as a Democrat. But I don’t think that’s possible, or desirable, do you?
of course not. I would not want him to run as a dem any more than I want dems to mimic his stupid crap.
So what? It’s not like there is much of anything to be done about it. On the other hand, Democratic primary voters (in the instances where the establishment allows us to have primaries) could get their heads out of their asses and actually nominate somebody who isn’t a damn corporate bot.
This has nothing to do with the voters and everything to do with the party.
The party shanked Bernie every time he tried. He would have won but the party rigged it against him.
Democrats are as shitty to their own base as republicans are to the democratic base. Leftists in this country do not have a party. All we have is damage mitigation.
It’s a “chicken or the egg” question. We have the Democrats we have because of the voters, and we have the voters we have because of the Democrats.
It’s a responsibility of the citizenship to be aware enough to make informed decisions and not be led by the nose. Americans in general are pathetically ignorant and disengaged.
Watch some random street interviews with average voters and it becomes crystal clear that fascism is what we collectively deserve.
agreed there. my states senators are not to bad but the one came out of the military and she is to brainwashed with that shit.
About 10 million people agree with you judging by the election results.
how can you tell. I voted for them due to the fact that they don’t act like republicans except in terms of people who brush things in the broadest strokes.
So you don’t want them to punish politicians who break the law? 🤔 Because Republicans don’t mind making politicians in the other side pay for their mistakes, but Democrats always let them have a free pass in the name of “healing 🥰”
are speaking because of the actions of one judge?
in a vacuum this isnt the wrong thing to do, but in context this is the capstone of a series of “we’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas”.
not really. democrats have never been allowed to extend their gains past one administration and they have to generally spend a term or so just righting the ship. Basically we give up before we even get started.
The British lost in the Revolutionary War partly due to their rigidity towards tradition and formality.
To your point, we should not be voting for candidates from either major party.
How you expect this would end up if Democrats would do January 6th?
VP has no such power, what they were trying to do in 2021 was to make Pence do it and hope it would be unchallenged. And if someone challenged it hoping that conservative court would side with Republicans like they did in 2001.
Firehosing wet gristle into the storm drains after multiple entrenched units opened fully automatic fire at head level into the crowd.
Followed by oooh, let’s call it 150 years of denying it ever happened and using the phrases “Bloody Tuesday” “Inauguration elimination” or “January 6th. 2025” in any online medium results in an annual audit for your entire extended family and local police having a picture of you and a set of darts delivered.
China people paste on the ground style?
Bold move
The big imaginary arbiter is going to drop down from the sky, any day now.
Yeah. Peacefully handing the country and all it’s vulnerable population to fascists while the democrats all cash out and flee.
They’re gonna leave us to THEIR fate.
Just a reminder, since these people view everything through the lens of power they view the peaceful transfer of power as us being weak and them being strong and that we’re giving in because “we know they can kick our ass” or some dumb shit. Basically, they view things like this as though we’re cowering in the corner begging them to stop when it’s really the basics of a functioning society.
Problem is they seem to be correct
America has decided to roll over and let fascism take root.
Our ancestors would be utterly ashamed.
I’m more concerned with what our descendents are going to think.
They won’t think much of anything, considering what Trump is about to do to the Department of Education.
Just be glad most of us won’t be around anymore to find out
You mean the slave owners who only wanted white landowners to vote?
Mine were the ones fleeing Italian fascism who thought this would be better.
Mine came here fleeing persecution during the German revolutions in 1848.
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Is there a way to save a comment so it alerts me back to it 4 years from now?
Make a Google calendar event with a permalink to it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, but it requires learning. You may not have that option soon with what Republicans ran on doing to our education system.
Tbf, learning has taken a nose dive while under the Department of ED. It’s… Really, really bad.
Do you believe education should be privatized so that only the privileged receive one?
No, but to pretend the choices are one or the other is ridiculous.
I mean, if you don’t want education to be privatized then you want it to be universal (federalized).
If there’s some in between, what exactly is it?
You should do some research into what American education looked like before the Department of Education.
Spoiler Alert: It wasn’t very good and a lot of people couldn’t read.
States can and did run their own school system, and I’m sorry to spoil your spoil, but lots of kids churning out of the system today can’t read. The numbers are staggering.
Kamala had a chance to do the funniest thing.
Well the American left wouldn’t turn out to vote, what makes you think they’d try and storm the capital?
Yeah, but fuck 'im.
Huh, no presentation of the gallows this time. Must be budget cuts.
Have you seen the price of lumber lately?
I remember when you could buy a 2x4 for a buck. It wasn’t that many years ago.
Can’t even buy the home depot special shorties for that any more.
Oh c’mon Biden, it’s not too late to have him official business’d!
Honestly, he should push that law to its limit before trump abuses it daily.
The cohort that controls the Democratic Party are perfectly content to pantomime gentlemanly decorum while being led into the ovens of a fascist authoritarian oligarchy. I’m just completely done with their bullshit.
Trump’s gonna literally try to kill them all. They made their own graves with this milquetoast bullshit.
