“Meltdown”
I doubt he writes code anymore and if he does he is wildly overpaid.
Good grief is Sweeney an insufferable cunt.
Yes.
Imagine responding to one of the most wholesome people in the entire video game industry with “this is bullshit”
Real “Hans, do you think we’re the baddies?” moment
Oh my god. I didn’t even realize that was THE Kenney
I’m out of the loop. Who is Kenney?
Lol. He offers up kits, he mentions C++, and it’s a language I’ve never used (not C++). Lol
He makes a lot of free video game assets. 3D model kits, etc. Really popular among the Godot crowd, I believe.
c to c++ isn’t really moving forward, it’s lateral, and i don’t mean that as a slight against c++ (for once, lol). same with 2d to 3d. turns out tim sweeny just says shit thinking we’re stupid, imagine that.
if he really knew anything, he would have said “c to rust,” which would have also been nonsense but it would have gotten a funnier reaction at least.
2d->3d – bigger number
c -> c++ – two extra plusses (and plus already means extra!)
games -> epic games – it’s got “epic” in the name
You don’t have to be a genus to see these are all better!
I prefer the original name epic mega games
Thinking C++ is advanced C is like thinking C# is advanced Java. Even if they were really similar at a point, they’ve moved on and diverged into their own thing. Things don’t necessarily get better; more often than not they just change.
Idk if Sweeney is trying to pull one over on people he thinks are dumb. I’d believe that he thinks those are meaningful changes because he’s just a deluded twat.
It’s not an exoneration. I’m just not angry at him, only derisive.
Hey, you dont talk shit to Kenney! Kenney is a saint in the GameDev world and many of my learning projects would have no good assets if it weren’t for him and others like him. Fuck off, Sweeney.
Tim cries himself to sleep every night because he knows deep down he’s just a cheap knockoff John Carmack.
when the fuck has Tim Sweeney made anything open source in his entire life?
Maybe he meant taking from open-source instrad for paing for a service
Credit where credit is due, they did develop an open source VCS which is something
A few months ago they released a new version control system called “Lore” that intends to compete with Perforce https://lore.org/
That’s in interesting. i guess I’m not expired with overwhelming confidence though when it looks like their developing their next generation vcs on github instead of their platform.
Epic have a git hosting platform / alternative to GitHub?
lore… their custom vcs. an alternative to git. that was the only thing in this thread. did i miss something?
Well damn, a pleased surprise, thank you kind Internet stranger!
That’s totally an indignant crash out… Fucking asshole in chief sitting there forcing AI down the throats of devs like grain down a goose chasing those phat phuckin slop-grois profits. I’m far from anti-AI, but this fit in or fuck off monoculture shit is toxic and unacceptable.
Kenney is based.
Gras-bâclé
AI is not the enemy. Oligarch owned AI is the enemy. (Because oligarchs are the enemy.)
Gen AI is an anti-social technology that is not welcome anywhere, under any economic system.
Hardly a meltdown, it’s a single whiney slightly condescending response.
It’s even more whiney when you imagine it him actually saying it out loud with his real meek voice and him unable to make eye contact with kenney
Didn’t you see how he SLAMMED Kenney??
Fucking BLASTED him! You won’t believe what happened next! CEOs hate this one simple trick!!!
Number 7 will SHOCK you!
I like how he suggests C++ is inherently superior to C, or that 3D is inherently superior to 2D, in the same way open source is superior to closed source.
Despite >=90% of his companies’ codebases being strictly proprietary, and guarded so heavily you’ll drown in fines if you leak as much as 3 lines.
Well of course he likes open source, I’m sure a ton of it has ended up in their proprietary source.
Not to mention vibe coding wouldn’t be a thing at all without decades of open source for the LLMs to draw knowledge from.
Isn’t C++ built on top of C and able to do everything C can and then some? It’s been a while since I’ve coded in it but I remember that being a kind of neat feature in C++. (I’m not searching it to confirm - just chatting about it)
C still gets used for things like drivers
All C code can be compiled with the C++ compiler, though there’s some nuance (if you don’t mark the C code as C, it behaves slightly differently which could mean it doesn’t work).
C++ adds a bunch of language features (object-oriented programming and templates are two massive ones). This can make it easier to describe a concept in C++ than in C. But it also enables a lot of unneeded complexity (if C++ wasn’t the best fit, or if the programmers aren’t excellent) and the compiler is slower because of all the extra stuff. And the resulting binaries are much bigger. And it’s harder to port the C++ compiler to other platforms. There’s still plenty of situations where it makes more sense to use C over C++.
I think in context, the C++ things makes sense: most games today are written in it.
But I thought exactly the same about the 3D thing. Does he know that 2D games still exist?
And C is also still used because a lot of low level infra still only supports that. Like, the drivers for his precious GPUs that run coding LLM still use some level of C code. So does some compilers. Those use cases are not replaced by C++. Because C++ is not a C replacement. Dumb ass argument.
“open source” is kinda a lie
Correct. The code can be viewed, but the license is not permissive.
Reminder that Unreal Engine is source available not open source.
Also a reminder that Valve doesn’t license their engine out to pretty much anyone!
IIRC they only license it out in SDKS?
Like GPL, you have to be a customer to be entitled to the source code and modifications are under a share-alike license.
You could sell the unmodified Unreal Engine if you wanted to but your customers would still be subject to the epic user license.
It’s hard for me to get past the fact that a person has willfully deferred their creativity and skill to an AI chatbot.
At that point, to me, you become a no talent ass clown.
Chances are they never had any creativity to begin with.
Also anybody trying to convince you that games made with AI are a good thing, should be evaluated with the same level of seriousness as people who tell you that fast food is healthy.
I have downed my opinion on Tim Sweeney. Down yours too !
At least of the folks I know that have gone all-in on GenAI, almost all of them never displayed much creativity in the first place.
One that I at least once had some respect for had walked away from doing any creative work 20 years ago. I frankly had sorted out about a decade ago that he was more “right place right time” than actually knowing his stuff. But he had a fairly common narrative I’ve heard a few times now: “I walked away from coding years ago, but I’m back in thanks to AI!”. There’s always good reasons they walked away in the first place that are generally not fixed by embracing AI.
Broadly the GenAI steps on creativitiy and skill by not producing precisely what the content creator wanted, so it favors people who don’t really have an opinion on the specifics, and without opnion it’s generally pretty flawed premise.
not producing precisely what the content creator wanted, so it favors people who don’t really have an opinion on the specifics
That’s an interesting point that I haven’t run into elsewhere!
A person?
Anyway, here’s a pro tip for your issue: don’t mind them. Get past it by just knowing they will eventually fall off.
