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Can we not do a surveillance state, pls?
Plus, I doubt anyone on .ml touches grass enough to be a security risk :P
In a war of memes and information bubbles, people not touching grass is a security risk
I wouldn’t consider folks from .ml to be dangerous tho - they are simply a book club that is being mean to people on internet.
Right-wingers, who don’t touch grass, on the other hand, are far more dangerous - just remember QAnon, this shit was started by some 4chan troll.
Eh, I think there’s a decent amount of intellectual overlap between authoritarian right wingers and authoritarian left wingers. They will both prioritize state control over people.
crazy how the main audience for this kind of two minutes hate thread for .ml is always zionists
Everything I don’t agree with is woke, I mean zionist.
the guy is an endless fountain of hasbara, plus you’ll call everyone to the left of joe biden a tankie, glass houses
Not a single one of those basement-dwellers poses a threat to anyone outside of maybe a misdemeanor assault on their olfactory nerves.
I regret to inform you that not only do I touch grass, i get involved in local politics too. All of my municipal representatives, mayor, state reps know me and my politics. 🙃
People attacking the .ml people for organizing while under pressure from the biggest worldwide alt right push in our generation is the funniest shit to me. God forbid the leftists start thinking collectively, you saw what happened to the donald? We’re currently fucked by all that chicanery but heavens forbid you start thinking in the opposite direction too much, wouldn’t want to get out of the right wing mess that we’re living through, least of all if we put in place all those policies my right wing propaganda says are evil. Yeah this is so seruious that we should definitely all quickly jump into being right wing surveillance states to prevent the leftists from doing something about us all eating massive amounts of shit right now.
They are authoritarians. They are only against trump because its not their boot thats stomping. They dont fight trump they only fight the left.
Define “authoritarian” without using the word “authoritarianism” or variations thereof or “totalitarian” or variations thereof.
People attacking the .ml people for organizing while under pressure from the biggest worldwide alt right push in our generation is the funniest shit to me
There can often be a lot of apathy and de-motivation coming out of
.ml; particularly around elections and harm minimization. The way they talk about voting you would think its as much effort as having a week long strike.
We could have better discourse and solidarity.
I’ve said this time and time again. They do not care about Palestinians either. They want people like Trump in charge, because they’re just fascists in a different coat of paint and millions or even tens of millions of casualties is completely fine as long as it harms the reputation of a western country, any of them in fact.
All the .ml users replying to you:
“I don’t want trump in power!” Proceeds to actively help trump and the GOP win elections at every opportunity
Okay this might be difficult to understand, but the people who didnt vote for Kamala because of her many issues also didnt vote for Trump due to his many issues.
None of us want Trump in charge. Accusing communists of being fascists or not supporting Palestinians simply because we emphasize the importance of grassroots organizing over trying to change the system from within is dishonest.
Yet if you don’t vote against fascists, you’re legitimizing what they’re doing. And voting doesn’t mean you need to stop the grassroots organizing. Voting should be only one of many things you do when fighting against fascism, but it should still be one. Every American who did not vote for Harris knowing she was the only candidate with the ability to stop Trump 2.0 from happening, shares part of the blame for everything Trump’s done this term. And no, this doesn’t absolve the DNC from guilt for giving you a shitty candidate in the first place… But if your options are literally “let fascists win” or “bite the bullet and buy 4 more years to hopefully change things via midterms and primaries”, what kind of a sick joke is telling everyone to NOT vote against Trump? That voting against Trump makes them support genocide? Millions upon millions have suffered because of it since January 2025. AS HE PROMISED.
Have you ever actually listened to the people for whom you’re so busy constructing a tenement in your brain? Or do you just wait for them to finish talking so you can continue to argue against imaginary positions?
I’ve had too many discussions with tankies praising genocide to listen to them anymore. Not everyone from .ml is a tankie, but far too many are and tankies are absolutely disgusting human beings. They’ve constantly shown that people dying is great if it happens for the right cause.
Absolutely nonsense, communists don’t praise genocide. Share receipts or stop the blood libel.
They want people like Trump in charge
wrong, i absolutely do not want trump in charge. i want the democrats to suck less. i put the 2024 election loss at their feet. i wish they had actually delivered things for people (other than bombs to the genocide) so they didn’t eat shit.
the people blaming voters for the democrats obscene incompetence are actively making things worse by refusing to learn anything.
The way they talk about voting you would think its as much effort as having a week long strike.
“The way they respond to me constantly talking about voting, in a thread with a strawman position on what leftists say about voting” would be a more honest portrayal. But you struggle with honesty.
Heres a comment I wrote about why leftists talk about voting as they do
see that’s the funny bit. I’ve met like 2 self proclaimed tankies irl, all other leftists think they’re lame as hell.
they don’t organize, they just sit behind keyboards and pretend they are.
as long as they show up and help, I have never met anyone who has a problem with them existing in irl leftists groups on ideology alone. it’s when they say shit like Ukraine is full of Nazis, or voting isn’t even worth showing up to the polls, or that the uyghur genocide is a lie, then they gotta go.
Sharing my experience: I have found that online, “tankie” just gets thrown at any leftist that “goes too far” authoritarian or not.
Do I agree with the Soviet use of tanks to suppress dissident in Europe in the 19th century? In so far as I wasn’t there and therefore don’t know fuck all about it: no. Am I going to clamor to distance myself from people who are accused of being tankies on Lemmy, especially if the people making the accusations are soc dems or centerists? Nah. Not engaging with that nonsense.
I’ve never met someone calling themselves that IRL, but that might be because it’s more of a youth thing. I agree that there is a lot more cooperation IRL, which is what’s important.
I dislike the lemmy.ml user base as much or more than the next guy.
I think that Europe has criminally underfunded its defense for a long time, and that they need to bulk up considering the existential Russian threat
Yet despite all that, I feel like the real asshat in this thread is the OP.
The only thing more annoying than .ml cringe posters are people that make their entire argument “.ml of course”.
I forget I’m from .ml most the time. Until I get a “oh you would say that as a .ml”. It’s pretty helpful for telling me that a conversation will go nowhere.
oh you would say that as a .ml
It’s astrology but for the fediverse
Your Sun is in .ml, meaning you’re fundamentally opinionated and fierce. Incompatible with .world, and you can tolerate dbzer0s in group settings, but don’t work well together one-on-one.
I don’t really see any of you breaking ranks or ever pumping the brakes on a dogpile so it kind of stands. There’s not really anything to learn from people who eschewed all individuality or basic self restraint just to make sure they never get verbally bullied by Nazis again
Bro wtf are you talking about
Couldn’t read two sentences :( reading is hard
Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a filthy foreign enemy, news at 11.
grow up
LISTED
Wow you are really not beating the Nazi comparisons, are you?
Europeans making lists of “undesirables” I am shocked /s.
Something something first as tragedy second as farce.
listed
Thank you for the notification obergruppenfuhrer I look forward to your attempt to extradite me from China for the crime of being Chinese.
obergruppenfuhrer?
how does scribbling down a name warrant a comparison to Nazi Germany?
You don’t see how making lists of “undesirables” to enact “justice” upon is reminiscent?
Bro.
I haven’t written anything down. You made your own post history in a lemmy instance known for being pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine.
how does scribbling down a name warrant a comparison to Nazi Germany?
How does it? Simple journalism.
It was one of George Orwell’s favorite hobbies, after all.
Well what else was he supposed to do with all that free time between writing his mediocre books and being a sex pest.
Liberals love being bootlickers for state violence. Classic.
Frauds love leading impressionable people to believe that Democrats are worse than Republicans.
They are two sides of the same coin.
I understand that you want people to believe Democrats are the same or worse than Republicans. This is the lie you keep pushing constantly and is why I’m replying to you
Demonstrably they fight for all the same people and none of them are you or me. Dems are just Republicans with pride flags. They support every single evil thing just the same but mildly better optics (sometimes).
Right, this is the lie you’re spreading. Democrats are objectively far better in every aspect. The fact that they partially are terrible people can never change the facts. The US electoral system all but guarantees third parties losing. No amount of lying can change that. If you care about any vulnerable people, Democrats are your only option 99% of the time, which is another thing that lying cannot wash away.
Genuine question: What could the Democratic Party do that would make you stop supporting them? Because clearly, a literal genocide isn’t it.
Genuine question, what would republicans do for you to not shill for them? Because the thing you claim to care about, literal genocide, isn’t one of them.
“DUUHHHH UR A REPUBLIKAAN DUHHH” 😂
Great rebuttal jackass. You’re really showcasing the intellectual integrity of an average Democrat. Are you going to answer the question or not?
Weird how you don’t like the inverse of that question. Shocking, really.
The answer is I don’t shill for them. But what I do know with you American supremacists is that upon me saying this, you will instantly enter into pedanticism in order to dodge the question I just asked. Prove me right please :)
Ah I just noticed your account age and skimmed your history. Won’t be making the mistake again of thinking there’s a 5% chance you’re not a bad faith actor.
Ok and I’m so sure this is good faith on your part! As long as republicans are worse than democrats, I am forced to vote for democrats in almost every context. This is not a real choice, it is the only moral one. I am not someone who can pretend taking a symbolic stand is more important than actually minimizing harm.
These conversations are literally never useful though, because you would rather commit seppuku than acknowledge that third parties have little to no chance of victory. Now, prove me right!
Genuine question: What could the Democratic Party do that would make you stop supporting them? Because clearly, a literal genocide isn’t it.
When our progressive movement, either DSA has a full split as well as having more availability (same for PSL) then there is no longer a practical utility for the democratic party. Until then its them or crusader republicans doing double time.
You are misunderstanding blue no matter who as being pro dem rather than a last resort. And it continues to be one because MLs just want a total surrender of the electoral front.
My question was not “What could happen that would make you stop supporting them”, it was “What could they (as in the party itself) do that would make you stop supporting them”.
MLs just want a total surrender of the electoral front.
I actually don’t. If you’re a leftist, your electoral front should definitely not be represented by the Democratic Party. And it doesn’t matter that it’s a “last resort”, it has never worked and it will continue to fail.
When you read the First They Came poem as a guide instead of as a warning. It’s fucking wild man.
MLs are pro violent suppression of any dissenting opinion they have no leg to stand on. The first they came poem is completely irrelevant here. Theres no evidence to suggest monitoring Russian foreign agents leading to anything remotely similar to the Nazi machine.
The increasing rise of Fascism in America and many parts of Europe and you think puting Communist on “a list” for “security” has nothing to do with what that poem was talking about?
There is a very vocal part of ml users, who are not Communist or socialist, but anti West and pro-China or pro-Russia.
Point that Chinese workers are - according to Chinese labour law and Chinese statistics - exploited and work on average more than 6 days a week, and you’ll get banned (https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/15/14/11409).
Point that soviet Russia was imperialist (or quote Mao saying that) and you will get banned.
this study…
found that migrant workers in China had good health. Overall, migrant workers engage in excessive overtime work to increase their income, despite the harm it causes to their health, and overtime work is more serious in the male groups. Income and labor market institutions are more important factors than health for migrant workers’ labor supply decisions. If there are fewer restrictions on workers’ work time choices and they can arrange their work more flexibly, the observed result should be that people with worse health should reduce their working time. So, the impact of health on the working hours of migrant workers depends on the labor market system. Income plays a compensatory role in the relationship between health and working hours and also serves as an incentive for workers to invest more time in their jobs. However, this effect is ineffective for workers who engage in excessive overtime work, where the health deterioration exceeds the compensatory effect of income on health. These findings enrich the literature on the interpretation of the relationship between health, welfare, and working hours among migrants.
You can also read past first paragraph, to Figure 1, to see
exploited and work on average more than 6 days a week
Or you can continue to be, idk, whatever you are.
Or I am missing your point, because you didn’t make one.
you could try reading all the way to the conclusion.
I will assume you’re trying to make a point I am wrong, as you still did not make your point.
Overall, migrant workers engage in excessive overtime work to increase their income, despite the harm it causes to their health
With 48h average (same study, figure 1) while the legally allowed worktime is 40h a week 44h with overtime. I mean I don’t know if you’re deliberately obtuse, or what here, because you still dis not make your point.
For comparison, same year:
- USA average was 34.7h
- Japan 33.4
- UK 32.1
- Germany 29.6
I don’t get paid sis.
The intense joy I experience upon witnessing .ml users being dragged into the 3 letter agency tickle chambers are a reward in and of itself.
Edit: it is a joke, like I assume my perceived CIA salary is
Celebrating 3 letter agencies abducting folks with political opinions different than yours.
Cool and normal. Very freedom. Much democracy. Wow.
A majority of us democrats would prefer living a military junta to anything approaching socialism, this user is a foremost example of that
You aware he’s likely Danish? US exceptionalism at work even in this argument
Danes are the biggest dickriders of the US around. Even after all Trump did they still talk about being the US’ “closest ally.” Denmark is completely bought in on the US propaganda.
So one politicians that says a stupid statement immediately means the entire country it bought by the US?
Wow, racism much.
Do you know what the word race means? Do you think Danes are a race?
Fuck off, fascist.
Holy fuck no let’s not do an authoritarianism to own the tankies lmao
Fascist repression of communists is nothing new to us, historically it’s extremely common.
Neo-McCarthyism. As usual, the anti-war activists are going to be labeled “enemies of the state,” foreign actors, etc. It’s already happening to BreakThrough News, the DSA, PSL, etc.
ur on da lisd
srr bru
Hopefully my OPSEC is good enough to keep me safe, but organizing as a communist is always a risk.
You’ll be found out and barred from jobs you could never dream off anyways.
Calm your victim complex.
NSPM-7 is a real program targeting any organization against the capitalist state. This isn’t a “victim complex,” it’s the real present day state repressions.
I am like Kraut, referring to pro-Putinists, which include individuals in a wide
assemblyrange of political positions and whether they can sit in high level positions in the defence, etc.As I said in my original comment:
As usual, the anti-war activists are going to be labeled “enemies of the state,” foreign actors, etc. It’s already happening to BreakThrough News, the DSA, PSL, etc.
It’s easy to simply call people “pro-Putinists” and then make lists, crack down on them, repress them, etc. Calling anti-system agitators “foreign agents” or “foreign influenced” is a time-tested tool of fascism.
I don’t believe this wide sweeping, that you refer to, will occur.
People who support the aggressive nation of Russia and their invasion of Ukraine are, in fact, very identifiable. You are not innocent “anti-war activists”. You support an aggressive neighbor.
I don’t support “cracking down on” you. I DO support you being barred from holding certain positions in defense and similar.
