See that’s the psychotic part right here. “Nice try making me feel bad about cyber-bullying a volunteer, when really you’re the bad guy for not hating some computer program enough”. You have to realize how silly this sounds.
See, unlike you, I fully own my positions. Andrew Tridgell should, and I mean this, I love seeing people improve, stop using this demon technology created by vampires to suck the life out good natured folk. And if he doesn’t, I will stop associating with him, because he’s siding with vampires. Simple as.
From your perspective this would seem horribly evil because you also side with vampires. I don’t care that you think this.
Your position is that you looove AI and sucking vampire dick, but you won’t say that because you know it’s harder to defend here on the, let me check… right, the FuckAI board.
Just be honest, man. You don’t want to do anything about AI. You are a pro AI individual. Shouldn’t that be easy? I don’t shy away from my own beliefs.
Don’t they all haha. I was under no illusion that you would suddenly start feeling empathy.
Andrew Tridgell should, and I mean this, I love seeing people improve, stop using this demon technology created by vampires to suck the life out good natured folk. And if he doesn’t, I will stop associating with him, because he’s siding with vampires. Simple as.
Apocalyptic religious sentiment doesn’t work on me. You forgot to mention that this technology was also created by Ialdabaoth, Cthulhu, Lord Voldemort and the ghost of Genghis Khan.
From your perspective this would seem horribly evil because you also side with vampires. I don’t care that you think this.
That’s a wild extrapolation. What makes you think i would find it evil to refuse to use a piece of software ? Or to disassociate with someone for any reason whatsoever ? What does that have to do with my position that we shouldn’t dogpile on open source maintainers who have been begging for help for years decades and, when nobody stepped up, started using AI to feel the gap ?
To tell you the truth i’ve been contributing to those “Ai-free software” lists because i think informed choice is awesome and is at the heart of the open source community. In my ideal world people would have all the information to make choices that align with their values. Notice that i never said people should be free to gang up and harass some poor sap whose only crime is to have thanklessly made their lives easier for 30 years.
Your position is that you looove AI and sucking vampire dick,
Thanks for the homophobic drive-by, real classy. What a nice piece of character development. Can’t say i’m surprised.
but you won’t say that because you know it’s harder to defend here on the, let me check… right, the FuckAI board. Just be honest, man. You don’t want to do anything about AI. You are a pro AI individual. Shouldn’t that be easy? I don’t shy away from my own beliefs.
I don’t see how that is relevant to my position on cyber bullying. I don’t shy away from my own beliefs including on circlejerk communities such as this one, and my comment history is ample proof of that. Yeah I like AI how cool is that ? I’ve said it left and right on this godforsaken website, what makes you think i wouldn’t dare say the words ? I like AI, i love open source, i hate US tech and hope their CEOs meet a fiery end. I hate that in the current political climate, psychopaths are empowered to proudly display their penchant for violence and domination while still claiming they have the moral high ground. You guys have won, everywhere, you are the most prolific ideological faction in the modern world, what more do you want ?
And yeah i know i’m screaming into the void. You don’t ever doubt yourself, you think AI is an apocalyptic religious threat, you think anyone who doesn’t share all of your values is in league with demonic entities (in a weirdly homoerotic way for some reason), and anything you do to your perceived enemies is fair game. Everybody understands what you are.
Or to disassociate with someone for any reason whatsoever ?
I should have been more clear. To disassociate in this case means to excommunicate from the industry. He’s behaving like a scab, so I think it’s only fair.
when nobody stepped up, started using AI to feel the gap ?
Why does he need this speed, exactly?
i’ve been contributing to those “AI-free software” lists
Thank you. You realize that this is a vector by which we excommunicate bad actors, right?
The point of talking, “harassing” as you say, to Andrew Tridgell about this directly is that I don’t want him to be excommunicated. I want him to see the light of humanity. I don’t want rsync to be thrown in with the wolves.
what makes you think i wouldn’t dare say the words ?
Because you weren’t, and that’s exactly the thing I’m critical of. If you were anti AI, you wouldn’t be here… doing what you’re doing.
Not disclosing this to the crowd I think is a bit dishonest. So for that, I offer you congratulations. I do appreciate it.
i hate US tech and hope their CEOs meet a fiery end
Doesn’t this seem a bit hypocritical of you? You can see where a bit of antipathy is useful in one case but not in this other one with Tridgell?
I don’t want him to meet a fiery end, I just want him to stop siding with vampires.
this technology was also created by Ialdabaoth, Cthulhu, Lord Voldemort and the ghost of Genghis Khan.
Absolute facts. So true.
is in league with demonic entities (in a weirdly homoerotic way for some reason)
xD
Listen, I have sucked dick, I would never suck vampire dick. It’s gotta be soo dry.
Doesn’t this seem a bit hypocritical of you? You can see where a bit of antipathy is useful in one case but not in this other one with Tridgell?
No. Tridgell is just some dude who’s been writing code to the benefit of everyone for 30 years. A literal ally, hailing back from more idealistic times, and a part of the movement that gave us the language and means to fight technological hegemony in all its forms. Tech CEOs can eat my shit all they do is build closed gardens and use lawfare to protect them.
The point of talking, “harassing” as you say, to Andrew Tridgell about this directly is that I don’t want him to be excommunicated
Making non-technical github issues to insult a maintainer and demand they take certain actions is not talking. Circulating links to those issues on /c/fuck_ai so people pile up with demeaning walls of text and hundreds of emoji reactions is harassing. There are more people parading their contempt for him in those threads, than the total number of people who contributed tickets or code to the project in 30 years. I can’t stop thinking about that, it’s so fucking cruel. No help, no thank you, just contempt the minute you displease your masters.
Minimizing the harm done is exactly what bullies do. “I didn’t do it but if i did it then it wasn’t that bad” yeah i know the lyrics too.
I don’t want rsync to be thrown in with the wolves.
No you just want rsync to remain available to you free of charge, while being maintained in a way that perfectly suits your ideals, without it costing you a dollar or even a minute of effort.
Why does he need this speed, exactly?
Because you’re not helping him. Because he’s been calling for help which isn’t coming, and he’s starting to burnout but the software he created is now load bearing and the responsibility is enormous. Also because LLMs are getting semi-good at finding vulnerabilities so anybody with 500$ of tokens can find critical bugs in virtually any software, which they have, which is why this release that is being shat on closes 6 CVEs that may otherwise have taken months to address.
And now instead of pitching in with repro tickets and code to help fix the issues introduced by this version, people are calling to spite-fork the whole thing and revert it to a pre-slop commit. As if the community which didn’t help when the project was “pure” would now magically find the time and energy to maintain it long term.
Tech CEOs can eat my shit all they do is build closed gardens and use lawfare to protect them.
Yeah, but this is the problem. You understand strong political fervor in cases you agree with, but you refuse to in any other. Zos, I really, really dislike AI. It should not be surprising to you that I also dislike its users.
You brought up homophobia as something you dislike earlier. If Tridgell had instead gone on some f-slur, f-slur, f-slur bender with his Medium account, don’t you think that this “oh, but he’s an uwu smol bean volunteer” thing wouldn’t really fly? If he had said he said those slurs because he was upset that no one was helping him, would that really be enough for you? Just a pat on the back and a “yeah, everyone goes on a homophobic rant every now and again.”
Making non-technical github issues to insult a maintainer
1, I took a look and I mostly see people being annoying more than rude.
2, the nature of protest is to be uncomfortable. Sticking forks into the gears of the machine is par for the course. This is, like… centuries old knowledge.
you just want rsync to remain available to you free of charge,
He’s welcome to start charging. I would prefer that over what he’s doing now.
Because he’s been calling for help which isn’t coming,
This is not actually an answer.
If things were acceptably moving at a “snail’s pace” before AI, what has changed? It’s load bearing? It was already, but also, that’s exactly why he shouldn’t be using AI.
I have to reiterate, it is really obvious that your contention here is only with punishing people for their bad behavior. Because you are pro AI. On the FuckAI board. Is this like a masochist thing? Like, what are you doing here?
See that’s the psychotic part right here. “Nice try making me feel bad about cyber-bullying a volunteer, when really you’re the bad guy for not hating some computer program enough”. You have to realize how silly this sounds.
Feel bad? Not at all.
See, unlike you, I fully own my positions. Andrew Tridgell should, and I mean this, I love seeing people improve, stop using this demon technology created by vampires to suck the life out good natured folk. And if he doesn’t, I will stop associating with him, because he’s siding with vampires. Simple as.
From your perspective this would seem horribly evil because you also side with vampires. I don’t care that you think this.
Your position is that you looove AI and sucking vampire dick, but you won’t say that because you know it’s harder to defend here on the, let me check… right, the FuckAI board.
Just be honest, man. You don’t want to do anything about AI. You are a pro AI individual. Shouldn’t that be easy? I don’t shy away from my own beliefs.
Don’t they all haha. I was under no illusion that you would suddenly start feeling empathy.
Apocalyptic religious sentiment doesn’t work on me. You forgot to mention that this technology was also created by Ialdabaoth, Cthulhu, Lord Voldemort and the ghost of Genghis Khan.
That’s a wild extrapolation. What makes you think i would find it evil to refuse to use a piece of software ? Or to disassociate with someone for any reason whatsoever ? What does that have to do with my position that we shouldn’t dogpile on open source maintainers who have been begging for help for
yearsdecades and, when nobody stepped up, started using AI to feel the gap ?To tell you the truth i’ve been contributing to those “Ai-free software” lists because i think informed choice is awesome and is at the heart of the open source community. In my ideal world people would have all the information to make choices that align with their values. Notice that i never said people should be free to gang up and harass some poor sap whose only crime is to have thanklessly made their lives easier for 30 years.
Thanks for the homophobic drive-by, real classy. What a nice piece of character development. Can’t say i’m surprised.
I don’t see how that is relevant to my position on cyber bullying. I don’t shy away from my own beliefs including on circlejerk communities such as this one, and my comment history is ample proof of that. Yeah I like AI how cool is that ? I’ve said it left and right on this godforsaken website, what makes you think i wouldn’t dare say the words ? I like AI, i love open source, i hate US tech and hope their CEOs meet a fiery end. I hate that in the current political climate, psychopaths are empowered to proudly display their penchant for violence and domination while still claiming they have the moral high ground. You guys have won, everywhere, you are the most prolific ideological faction in the modern world, what more do you want ?
And yeah i know i’m screaming into the void. You don’t ever doubt yourself, you think AI is an apocalyptic religious threat, you think anyone who doesn’t share all of your values is in league with demonic entities (in a weirdly homoerotic way for some reason), and anything you do to your perceived enemies is fair game. Everybody understands what you are.
I should have been more clear. To disassociate in this case means to excommunicate from the industry. He’s behaving like a scab, so I think it’s only fair.
Why does he need this speed, exactly?
Thank you. You realize that this is a vector by which we excommunicate bad actors, right?
The point of talking, “harassing” as you say, to Andrew Tridgell about this directly is that I don’t want him to be excommunicated. I want him to see the light of humanity. I don’t want rsync to be thrown in with the wolves.
Because you weren’t, and that’s exactly the thing I’m critical of. If you were anti AI, you wouldn’t be here… doing what you’re doing.
Not disclosing this to the crowd I think is a bit dishonest. So for that, I offer you congratulations. I do appreciate it.
Doesn’t this seem a bit hypocritical of you? You can see where a bit of antipathy is useful in one case but not in this other one with Tridgell?
I don’t want him to meet a fiery end, I just want him to stop siding with vampires.
Absolute facts. So true.
xD
Listen, I have sucked dick, I would never suck vampire dick. It’s gotta be soo dry.
No. Tridgell is just some dude who’s been writing code to the benefit of everyone for 30 years. A literal ally, hailing back from more idealistic times, and a part of the movement that gave us the language and means to fight technological hegemony in all its forms. Tech CEOs can eat my shit all they do is build closed gardens and use lawfare to protect them.
Making non-technical github issues to insult a maintainer and demand they take certain actions is not talking. Circulating links to those issues on /c/fuck_ai so people pile up with demeaning walls of text and hundreds of emoji reactions is harassing. There are more people parading their contempt for him in those threads, than the total number of people who contributed tickets or code to the project in 30 years. I can’t stop thinking about that, it’s so fucking cruel. No help, no thank you, just contempt the minute you displease your masters.
Minimizing the harm done is exactly what bullies do. “I didn’t do it but if i did it then it wasn’t that bad” yeah i know the lyrics too.
No you just want
rsyncto remain available to you free of charge, while being maintained in a way that perfectly suits your ideals, without it costing you a dollar or even a minute of effort.Because you’re not helping him. Because he’s been calling for help which isn’t coming, and he’s starting to burnout but the software he created is now load bearing and the responsibility is enormous. Also because LLMs are getting semi-good at finding vulnerabilities so anybody with 500$ of tokens can find critical bugs in virtually any software, which they have, which is why this release that is being shat on closes 6 CVEs that may otherwise have taken months to address.
And now instead of pitching in with repro tickets and code to help fix the issues introduced by this version, people are calling to spite-fork the whole thing and revert it to a pre-slop commit. As if the community which didn’t help when the project was “pure” would now magically find the time and energy to maintain it long term.
Yeah, but this is the problem. You understand strong political fervor in cases you agree with, but you refuse to in any other. Zos, I really, really dislike AI. It should not be surprising to you that I also dislike its users.
You brought up homophobia as something you dislike earlier. If Tridgell had instead gone on some f-slur, f-slur, f-slur bender with his Medium account, don’t you think that this “oh, but he’s an uwu smol bean volunteer” thing wouldn’t really fly? If he had said he said those slurs because he was upset that no one was helping him, would that really be enough for you? Just a pat on the back and a “yeah, everyone goes on a homophobic rant every now and again.”
1, I took a look and I mostly see people being annoying more than rude.
2, the nature of protest is to be uncomfortable. Sticking forks into the gears of the machine is par for the course. This is, like… centuries old knowledge.
He’s welcome to start charging. I would prefer that over what he’s doing now.
This is not actually an answer.
If things were acceptably moving at a “snail’s pace” before AI, what has changed? It’s load bearing? It was already, but also, that’s exactly why he shouldn’t be using AI.
I have to reiterate, it is really obvious that your contention here is only with punishing people for their bad behavior. Because you are pro AI. On the FuckAI board. Is this like a masochist thing? Like, what are you doing here?