Doesn’t this seem a bit hypocritical of you? You can see where a bit of antipathy is useful in one case but not in this other one with Tridgell?
No. Tridgell is just some dude who’s been writing code to the benefit of everyone for 30 years. A literal ally, hailing back from more idealistic times, and a part of the movement that gave us the language and means to fight technological hegemony in all its forms. Tech CEOs can eat my shit all they do is build closed gardens and use lawfare to protect them.
The point of talking, “harassing” as you say, to Andrew Tridgell about this directly is that I don’t want him to be excommunicated
Making non-technical github issues to insult a maintainer and demand they take certain actions is not talking. Circulating links to those issues on /c/fuck_ai so people pile up with demeaning walls of text and hundreds of emoji reactions is harassing. There are more people parading their contempt for him in those threads, than the total number of people who contributed tickets or code to the project in 30 years. I can’t stop thinking about that, it’s so fucking cruel. No help, no thank you, just contempt the minute you displease your masters.
Minimizing the harm done is exactly what bullies do. “I didn’t do it but if i did it then it wasn’t that bad” yeah i know the lyrics too.
I don’t want rsync to be thrown in with the wolves.
No you just want rsync to remain available to you free of charge, while being maintained in a way that perfectly suits your ideals, without it costing you a dollar or even a minute of effort.
Why does he need this speed, exactly?
Because you’re not helping him. Because he’s been calling for help which isn’t coming, and he’s starting to burnout but the software he created is now load bearing and the responsibility is enormous. Also because LLMs are getting semi-good at finding vulnerabilities so anybody with 500$ of tokens can find critical bugs in virtually any software, which they have, which is why this release that is being shat on closes 6 CVEs that may otherwise have taken months to address.
And now instead of pitching in with repro tickets and code to help fix the issues introduced by this version, people are calling to spite-fork the whole thing and revert it to a pre-slop commit. As if the community which didn’t help when the project was “pure” would now magically find the time and energy to maintain it long term.
Tech CEOs can eat my shit all they do is build closed gardens and use lawfare to protect them.
Yeah, but this is the problem. You understand strong political fervor in cases you agree with, but you refuse to in any other. Zos, I really, really dislike AI. It should not be surprising to you that I also dislike its users.
You brought up homophobia as something you dislike earlier. If Tridgell had instead gone on some f-slur, f-slur, f-slur bender with his Medium account, don’t you think that this “oh, but he’s an uwu smol bean volunteer” thing wouldn’t really fly? If he had said he said those slurs because he was upset that no one was helping him, would that really be enough for you? Just a pat on the back and a “yeah, everyone goes on a homophobic rant every now and again.”
Making non-technical github issues to insult a maintainer
1, I took a look and I mostly see people being annoying more than rude.
2, the nature of protest is to be uncomfortable. Sticking forks into the gears of the machine is par for the course. This is, like… centuries old knowledge.
you just want rsync to remain available to you free of charge,
He’s welcome to start charging. I would prefer that over what he’s doing now.
Because he’s been calling for help which isn’t coming,
This is not actually an answer.
If things were acceptably moving at a “snail’s pace” before AI, what has changed? It’s load bearing? It was already, but also, that’s exactly why he shouldn’t be using AI.
I have to reiterate, it is really obvious that your contention here is only with punishing people for their bad behavior. Because you are pro AI. On the FuckAI board. Is this like a masochist thing? Like, what are you doing here?
It sure doesn’t make Sam Altman uncomfortable. It just sends the message that open source contributors are at our service and they better behave exactly the way we want or they get the paddle. We will continue not helping them, but we will also actively attack them if they displease us.
Surely that will not encourage grey beards to finally retire in peace, and discourage new maintainers from stepping up.
If things were acceptably moving at a “snail’s pace” before AI, what has changed?
As i said, what has changed is that AI can now find security issues and all major projects are hit by a flurry of legitimate security flaws. These affect all deployed instances of rsync, so basically most of the world’s tech infrastructure. Leaving those gaping holes open is much more detrimental to the common good than fixing them. And that goes even if the fixes are not perfect and break marginal existing use cases.
you are pro AI. On the FuckAI board. Is this like a masochist thing? Like, what are you doing here?
I’m here cause i don’t mind being disagreed with, in fact i need to be disagreed with if i don’t want to fall into a fact-starved self-selected cognitive bubble. I’m also active on LinkedIn punching libertarian hustlers in the dick when they need it. You gotta make sure some asshole you disagree with isn’t accidentally making a great point you have failed to identify.
I’m not against AI but i’m also not “pro AI”, any more than i am pro mouse or pro keyboard. But i am definitely against bullying our few remaining open source contributors.
Well, this one’s about Andrew Tridgell, so that would make sense.
These affect all deployed instances of rsync, so basically most of the world’s tech infrastructure.
Do you… not even realize that you are demanding work from him? The thing you are accusing me of doing.
If you need these security fixes so badly, shouldn’t you be paying him? Or making your own contributions? The merge request form is right there, man, why are you just sitting here on your self-entitled ass.
Surely that will not encourage grey beards to finally retire in peace,
Yeah, if he wants to. I’m not saying this to be spiteful, like “yeah! he should step down!” I mean, genuinely, it sounds like he wants to go sailing, he should do that. That sounds fun.
You have a whole John Galt attitude about this retiring thing, it’s weird.
I’m not against AI but i’m also not “pro AI”,
You are. You are doing that thing that centrists do where they’re “not against gay people” but they do mind when “people get uppity with the cops” which means you are pro AI. White people pretending that reconstruction in the US wasn’t their problem—the list goes on and on.
I don’t know why you’re insisting on this anyway; you’ve already said you like AI.
No. Tridgell is just some dude who’s been writing code to the benefit of everyone for 30 years. A literal ally, hailing back from more idealistic times, and a part of the movement that gave us the language and means to fight technological hegemony in all its forms. Tech CEOs can eat my shit all they do is build closed gardens and use lawfare to protect them.
Making non-technical github issues to insult a maintainer and demand they take certain actions is not talking. Circulating links to those issues on /c/fuck_ai so people pile up with demeaning walls of text and hundreds of emoji reactions is harassing. There are more people parading their contempt for him in those threads, than the total number of people who contributed tickets or code to the project in 30 years. I can’t stop thinking about that, it’s so fucking cruel. No help, no thank you, just contempt the minute you displease your masters.
Minimizing the harm done is exactly what bullies do. “I didn’t do it but if i did it then it wasn’t that bad” yeah i know the lyrics too.
No you just want
rsyncto remain available to you free of charge, while being maintained in a way that perfectly suits your ideals, without it costing you a dollar or even a minute of effort.Because you’re not helping him. Because he’s been calling for help which isn’t coming, and he’s starting to burnout but the software he created is now load bearing and the responsibility is enormous. Also because LLMs are getting semi-good at finding vulnerabilities so anybody with 500$ of tokens can find critical bugs in virtually any software, which they have, which is why this release that is being shat on closes 6 CVEs that may otherwise have taken months to address.
And now instead of pitching in with repro tickets and code to help fix the issues introduced by this version, people are calling to spite-fork the whole thing and revert it to a pre-slop commit. As if the community which didn’t help when the project was “pure” would now magically find the time and energy to maintain it long term.
Yeah, but this is the problem. You understand strong political fervor in cases you agree with, but you refuse to in any other. Zos, I really, really dislike AI. It should not be surprising to you that I also dislike its users.
You brought up homophobia as something you dislike earlier. If Tridgell had instead gone on some f-slur, f-slur, f-slur bender with his Medium account, don’t you think that this “oh, but he’s an uwu smol bean volunteer” thing wouldn’t really fly? If he had said he said those slurs because he was upset that no one was helping him, would that really be enough for you? Just a pat on the back and a “yeah, everyone goes on a homophobic rant every now and again.”
1, I took a look and I mostly see people being annoying more than rude.
2, the nature of protest is to be uncomfortable. Sticking forks into the gears of the machine is par for the course. This is, like… centuries old knowledge.
He’s welcome to start charging. I would prefer that over what he’s doing now.
This is not actually an answer.
If things were acceptably moving at a “snail’s pace” before AI, what has changed? It’s load bearing? It was already, but also, that’s exactly why he shouldn’t be using AI.
I have to reiterate, it is really obvious that your contention here is only with punishing people for their bad behavior. Because you are pro AI. On the FuckAI board. Is this like a masochist thing? Like, what are you doing here?
It sure doesn’t make Sam Altman uncomfortable. It just sends the message that open source contributors are at our service and they better behave exactly the way we want or they get the paddle. We will continue not helping them, but we will also actively attack them if they displease us.
Surely that will not encourage grey beards to finally retire in peace, and discourage new maintainers from stepping up.
As i said, what has changed is that AI can now find security issues and all major projects are hit by a flurry of legitimate security flaws. These affect all deployed instances of rsync, so basically most of the world’s tech infrastructure. Leaving those gaping holes open is much more detrimental to the common good than fixing them. And that goes even if the fixes are not perfect and break marginal existing use cases.
I’m here cause i don’t mind being disagreed with, in fact i need to be disagreed with if i don’t want to fall into a fact-starved self-selected cognitive bubble. I’m also active on LinkedIn punching libertarian hustlers in the dick when they need it. You gotta make sure some asshole you disagree with isn’t accidentally making a great point you have failed to identify.
I’m not against AI but i’m also not “pro AI”, any more than i am pro mouse or pro keyboard. But i am definitely against bullying our few remaining open source contributors.
Well, this one’s about Andrew Tridgell, so that would make sense.
Do you… not even realize that you are demanding work from him? The thing you are accusing me of doing.
If you need these security fixes so badly, shouldn’t you be paying him? Or making your own contributions? The merge request form is right there, man, why are you just sitting here on your self-entitled ass.
Yeah, if he wants to. I’m not saying this to be spiteful, like “yeah! he should step down!” I mean, genuinely, it sounds like he wants to go sailing, he should do that. That sounds fun.
You have a whole John Galt attitude about this retiring thing, it’s weird.
You are. You are doing that thing that centrists do where they’re “not against gay people” but they do mind when “people get uppity with the cops” which means you are pro AI. White people pretending that reconstruction in the US wasn’t their problem—the list goes on and on.
I don’t know why you’re insisting on this anyway; you’ve already said you like AI.
my guess would be low executive function and a smidge of autism
C’mon, you don’t have to be mean to yourself.