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An “atom bomb” is not a standard unit of measurement. It’s less than helpful.
Pffft. An ‘atomb bomb’ as a unit of measurement is (roughly) equal to:
ff x (hdl/afps) x solh x ambWhere:
ff = football fields
hdl = hot dog
afps = average Floridian pants size
solh = Statues of Liberty
amb = average medical bill.Americans will do anything but use the metric system.
How many atom bombs less than helpful is it?
5
Nuke bad. Propaganda
Yes but at that level of energy no unit is useful for the average person to comprehend. I somewhat understand the usage here. If it was in joules very few people would be able comprehend.
Kevin is a POS and I really doubt this DataCenter will ever be built. Having said that, this article is also full of fearmongering trash.
”Turn out, it could create a massive heat island capable of devastating the area’s ecology, said Robert Davies, a physics professor at Utah State University.”
this article is also full of fearmongering trash.
”Turn out, it could create a massive heat island capable of devastating the area’s ecology, said Robert Davies, a physics professor at Utah State University.”
I work in the O&G industry. “Heat islands” are a legitimate concern for both refineries and power plants. Failure to limit the heat emissions in a given area can require personal to wear more protective gear just to get inside the facilities. Alternatively, you have to shut parts of the plant down to get people safely into and out of it for maintenance.
It absolutely has an impact on the surrounding ecology. And you can see the brownfields that certain decommissioned sites create, stretching for miles in every direction.
For a state like Utah, with a relatively low per-capita population and some of the country’s last pristine wilderness, rolling out a bunch of industrial facilities to suck up the potable water and blast the area with vented coolant would have a very real and noticeable impact.
The problem is that we’ve done this cycle of development and decimation so many times in our industrial era that “doing what we’ve always done” gets written off as fear-mongering, because we no longer recognize the impact.
Well heat islands are a real thing. If you put 9GW of energy into a data center and dont want to fry the electronics you have to expel that heat somewhere.
Data centers often expel their heat into the surrounding ecology via air con and liquid cooling.
This is selling fear because this data center won’t obey the laws of thermodynamics?
What are the chances the people of Utah work together to stop it and reverse it from being built?
Dont know how it is overall in Utah currently.
Would have to be a big problem to focus on by Salt Lake City people and neighboring states assisting
0.1%
Can’t be that low
ok, 5%.
Come on skipper we need more power than that!!! /s haha
I was just joking earlier though for previous comment. Hopefully there is a good chance over there but only time will tell
I’d hate to say it but that useless loser should stick to acting or boating.
I don’t know who Kevin is, so I looked at his Wikipedia page and I’m still none the wiser what he’s actually done to “earn” all that money. Looks like a serial grifter.
Only if we can strap him to the heat sinks. 🍽️
This is never getting built
Look at what happened in Saudi’s Neom.
They kicked a bunch of locals off the property, diverted a bunch of local waterways, dropped millions of tons of concrete onto a foundation, and then ran out of money, gave up, and walked away.
You got all horror of industrial terraforming but none of the promised payout.
They should really try boiling some water with that waste heat, maybe make it spin a turbine or two.
I’m not sure we have ways of concentrating energy enough to do this. Heat pumps let us move heat, but I’m not aware of anything that can get the target to 100+ degrees Celsius.
They should try moving to a place with fresh water and stop draining a pool of salt, if they have to generate this heat for fucking useful reason.
Don’t give them ideas, otherwise O’Leary will start charging the locals a ‘Luxury Geothermal Subscription’ just to stand near the exhaust vent.
“neothermal”
But at least when I have to write a professional sounding email I can shut off my brain and make the computer cluster do it!
Strangely enough, I got kevin oleary confused with this guy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs
I propose a hyperscale billionaire cooking center where we drive the heat of 23 atom bombs directly up Kevin’s ass.
generate the waste heat of 23 atom bombs a day.
Americans will do anything but use the metric system.
Listen guy, maybe you haven’t noticed, but we have some serious fuckery we are trying to deal with here. While I agree that metric is a more logical system. We’re trying to get a grip while everything around us is crumbling. Switching to metric is in like volume 17 of our todo list right now, sandwiched between end daylight savings time and making the my pillow guy eat a sock.
9GW is first. That’s metric. The other number is to give an estimate that is more relatable.
but first is peak power, not waste energy, we’re still missing the SI estimated number of Wh wasted per day
Yeah, who doesn’t know the heat of an atom bomb? (which famously can vary by 4 orders of magnitude)
Well, everyone knows it’s at least a lot. That’s the point. Most people don’t know what 9GW means, in terms of heat. Even a small nuclear bomb it’s enough to vaporized a large area. This tells even the least informed person that it’s an amount of energy that should be concerning.
which famously can vary by 4 orders of magnitude
That’s why “Hiroshima” is now a unit. We’re lucky “Tsar Bomba” isn’t.
At least in this case it gets across the truly stupid amount of energy being wasted. As a general rule I think that if you can boil one of the great lakes with your daily thermal output you probably shouldn’t be doing it.
Is that a realistic Approximation of energy usage? This seems a lot to me, even over the span of one day
Definitely off by a few orders of magnitude.
17gw is about the same size as the Hiroshima bomb - 63 terajoules is 17 GWh and the 9GW data centre produces at least 16GWs of heat. Pretty scary when looked at like that.
17gw of heat is both under and over estimate.
3,600 of those industrial-scale generators to power Stratos
Caterpillar 2.5mw generators have maximum efficiency of 45%, and so 19gw is peak thermal power. that is roughly 26 hiroshimas per day.
It’s an over estimate because datacenter cpu/gpu capacity utilization is on average under 10%. It could still produce all that power for export to trap all that heat in a valley.
Not that it would matter for this conversation, but at hyperscalers levels, the energy required for mechanical loads is under 20% of the compute load. Wouldn’t surprise me if ~10% can be achieved at multi GW scale. Thus about 11GW total energy.
Does “9GW data center” not mean “a data center that consumes 9GW of power”?
Or is it “9GW of computers + 5GW of cooling + something”?its 9gw of consumption. 19gw of total heat generation.
9GW should be the compute load goal, to which you need to add the mechanical and administrative loads. At higher scales they gain significant efficiencies which translates to market advantages.
I still don’t quite understand. Can I get a conversion into how many hotdogs the heat could cook?
Let’s assume Costco size hot dogs (1/4 lb, or 0.11 kg), with an internal temp increase from fridge temperatures (37 F, or 276 K) to 165 F (347 K). Let’s also assume the heat capacity of the hot dog is about 3000 J/kg*K. To heat up a single hot dog takes this much energy:
q=mc*deltaT => q=(0.11 kg)*(3000 J/kg*K)*(347K-276K)=23,430 J of energy.
The heat capacity here is 9GW. That is 9 gigajoules of energy per second, or 9 billion joules every second. Divide this by the number of joules to cook each hot dog gets us the number of hot dogs that could be cooked every second:
9,000,000,000/23,430=384,123 hot dogs/second
With this hot dogs per second figure, we can find how long this energy source would take to feed the entire US population a Costco hot dog.
342,000,000 people/384,123 hot dogs per sec=890 seconds
Converting this to minutes:
890/60=14.8 minutes
So, this source of energy could feed the entire population of the US a Costco hot dog in less than 15 minutes if properly harnessed.
Finally someone speaking english.
The math you just did terrifies me and I have no way of verifying it, so I’ll just say good job and leave it at that.
I think it’s also important to have a hotdogs per day figure, and the math from here is super simple, so I can do it.
384,1236060*24 = 33,188,227,200 hot dogs per day.
Well, there you go, free lunch for every schoolkid. Silver lining.
So if she weighs the same as a duck… then she’s made of wood…
and therefore…
A WITCH!! BURN HER!!
More than two
“How many hot dogs a day? Well, gosh, I don’t know. Some days it’s just two. Other days…it could be up to, and I’m just ball parking here you understand, it could be…up to seven?”
“So…seven hot dogs a day.”
Depends how well done you like them.
A lot
I wonder how many football fields long this thing is?
Well… It’s 9GW of waste heat. Same as the energy supply.
No, 9GW of electricity, and they claim 16GW total. With a greater than 50% efficient gas plant.
Probably like 8GW of waste heat, and 1GW of infrasound
Ok, but that will still need to be handled otherwise it’ll shake the building to it’s knees.
They just pump it outside of the environment
…into another environment?
No, outside of the environment.
There’s nothing out there but birds, (poor)people and 1 gigawatt of infrasound.
This is USica, it doesn’t matter where you’re pumping it, just that it’s out of where you’re pumping it from. Doesn’t really even matter what you’re pumping, USians gotta pump something.
Don’t know if you’re trying an obscure reference to the shadoks, an absurd french tv cartoon from 1968
How many is that, in bananas? Or school buses?
Sometimes you have to cater to the lowest common denominator (the AI booster).
Why does this guy have to be such a massive piece of shit.
Well he’s got nothing else to offer.
Because he floated to the top. Better question is why do we allow such massive pieces of shit to accumulate in the first place?
Kevin O’Leary is a parasite
All the shark tankers are.
He’s already on The List.
Didn’t he and his wife also killed someone while driving their boat drunk?
It was more some idiots decided to start gaze at night and illegally turn off their boat lights. Nothing sadder than douche on douche violence.
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