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This is what active military serving near Iran get to eat. Is he having door dash granny deliver it?
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Maybe consider not fighting for the country known to not give a damn about (combat) veterans
The best ways to turn military against you is a) don’t pay them, b) don’t feed them, and c) don’t give a damn about the survival of the soldiers.
I’m not so sure - the Republicans tend to treat veterans like absolute shit and yet, the military seems to have its share of conservatives that cannot stop humping the legs of Republicans.
That’s because most people don’t realize that only 18% of veterans get the full benefits they’re entitled to.
Even the ones that realize that are dense enough to think they will be one of the 18%
Its the same reason conservatives are often class traitors. They think they will get lucky and be a billionaire someday.
oh its not by accident, gop/DNC sources alot of them from more conservative areas where the education is poor and likely ecominic situation is equally bad, they tend to be white. next demographics are middle-low POC areas where they arnt poor but not rich enough to pay tuition for college fully, its probably some collusion going on with 4 year universities and expensive colleges or mid-tier.
You really should have a last “don’t” at the beginning of point c.
Thanks, fixed.
C is always selected. b) just feed them barely, so they dont revolt even if its low-grade slop. a)they pay them very low, but enough for not to revolt or try to leave the service.
also provide them clean sanitation, apparently they wernt doing that on one of the warships.
Meanwhile the Pentagon is spending millions a month ordering lobster and steak.
France: Hey, I’ve seen this one before!
And beauty stations.
actually it was nearly 50-90billion on that.
This is a huge fucking problem, one that’s about 100x as severe if you’re hearing this happen the first time.
While fighting forces normally have their advantages/disadvantages compared to their opponents, food abundance or scarcity can make a strategic difference. See the psychological effect of the USN ice cream ship in WW2, listen to Ryan McBeth comparing his rations to what his Egyptian comrades called “army meat”…
Hell, in my own personal experience in Basic Training (had an award-winning kitchen) vs NCO school (food supply didn’t work out, had to bring your own breakfast before the march), basic supply can be the difference between enthusiastic service and a refusal to train. And this was the same unit.
The magnitude of the US’ fuckup in this war (the whole war tbh) has still not become fully perceivable. History books will be talking about this in the tone of “as devastating Vietnam was for US foreign policy, the coffin nails hammered in in 2026 became the harbingers of the US empire’s accellerated fall”… or sth like that.
The only safe supply ports would be in Pakistan or (much further away) India. It’s likely Pakistan doesn’t want to be seen helping US fleet. India has been receiving Iranian oil during conflict, and would like to keep it that way in addition to it being a long resupply route.
Iran also just attacked some indian ships transiting the strait, so there’s that fun complicating factor…
I mean, this is horrific, I can really only identify the carrots as actual food, but what do US military personnel think their government thinks of them when they treat their veterans like they do? Their veterans get treated like scum. Their current Secretary of Defense literally ran multiple veteran support scam companies. How can active soldiers not see that thats how they will be treated when they become veterans? The fact that the military isn’t marching on Washington to arrest the executive and the complicit portion of the legislative branch tells me they are not enlisting their best and brightest.
The thing in the lower right is a overcooked hamburger patty. But the grey thing… that’s what’s stumping me.
I thought it was fish at first, but it’s the wrong texture for that. Then maybe re-fried beans… but why/how would they be shaped like that? About the only thing I can think of given the shape/texture is some sort of polenta?
From the article, emphasis mine
boiled carrots, a dry meat patty and a processed meat slab
shudder
I guessed a slice of eggplant 😅
shudder
Chicken nuggets are processed meat. Spam is. Lunch meat is. Most ham is.
It’s gonna be marginal quality because of how military contracts go, but processed meat is not the problem.
Oh man, you know what those all have in common? They’re not just called processed meat slabs. I eat a lot of tofu, but I don’t want to eat something gray and shiny called a processed fermented bean slab.
If they could call it anything else, they would
Interesting.
You require a cute name for food before you will eat it? Because calling it “mechanically separated chicken” doesn’t work for you, but “chicken nuggets” does.
Well, if having to lie to yourself to make food delicious works for you, more power to you.
I, on the other hand, am firmly aware of what I’m eating. I don’t need anyone to lie to me about it.
I, on the other hand, am firmly aware of what I’m eating.
And completely unaware of the role that plays in most people’s enjoyment of food. Being a weirdo is no excuse to dismiss the experiences of others.
Interesting. I don’t think I mentioned “chicken nuggets” working for me, let alone the rest of that, but I wouldn’t want to suggest that you’re responding to a whole lot of things I didn’t say.
Perhaps I’m just not worthy of responding to such an idol of pragmatism.
Terribly cooked donair meat? The slice shape and texture reminded me of that but the colour yeesh.
Undocumented Immigrant Meat.
Their current Secretary of Defense literally ran multiple veteran support scam companies.
That’s crazy
They might have thought they were not going to get the speedrun to the treatment you are (rightly) pointing out.
But yes, the jingoist conservative-lovin’ goofballs that are in the military, part of military families etc, should take a good look at how Republicans tend to treat them on the backend.
Think of the average age of a military personnel.
Secretary of War.
Yeah I’m not calling him that
Well, it’s ironically more accurate.
Maybe, it’s still stupid, they haven’t even officially renamed the department.
Secretary of Excursion.
Go on about the scam vet companies?
“The US has the greatest military logistics in the world!”
US military logistics:
When the military are the ones calling the shots, they can.
When an orange pedophile and a drunk heretic are in charge, they don’t.
It really is that simple. It took like 6 months to build up the forces for OIF. It took a total of like a week to move things in place for Epstein Fury.
I think it’s best to say they used to be able to, but not anymore.
Trump has also gutted the military command structure and filled it with his goons. The equipment is still there, but those that know how to effectively use it are gone.
Hey think of the upside. If this shit end results in a civil war and violent breakup none of these dipshits will know how to use the equipment properly, let alone once internal US logistics collapses.
No they absolutely still have the capability to drop a Wendys somewhere within 12 hours. But responding to a crisis and planning a full scale war are entirely different metrics to compare to.
One is a MEU, or an airborne unit going and doing a limited mission. The other is literally a theater wide conflict.
Desert Storm took almost 6 months of build-up to get going. Operation Iraqi Freedom took 12+ months to prepare and build up forces for.
trump was lead by the sack by Bibi, and the military professionals behind the scenes had about 2 weeks to get everything moving. It’s literally impossible to go to war on such a short notice, as you’ve seen by this conflict.
Not disagreeing that firing a bunch of competent people and putting in yes-men is not a fucking stupid move.
Their capability to drop off a Wendy’s (or a McDonald’s in Trump’s case) is not (yet) in question.
Their capability to keep it supplied is.
(Specifically their capability to make sure the money intended for that purpose is sufficient and ends up fulfilling that purpose, instead of lining some parasite’s pockets.)
Literally what I’m saying. Launching a rapid response is one thing. Conducting an entire theatre of war is another thing entirely.
Classic military diet at the end of an empire’s reign. The corruption is so deep that the logistics to feeding their invading army while out on deployment are all but collapsed due to communications failures, inefficient funding, being belligerent to the countries who supply you food while abroad, etc.
Also, try to get something made here anymore, we don’t have the infrastructure to develop a lot of those skills anymore.
Our entire manufacturing industry rested on its laurels for fifty years. We sort of assumed the miracle was cheap labor (money in America is still upset about whole emancipation thing).
Super high dollar mossles were the only thing we had left and I think we just realized how the balance of Military power is also shifting.
So unless we WW3 everyone else, or stir up the continent and get them to do it again, we would have to do serious work and we don’t have those akillsets either. Think about our bave new Iraq.
Half a century of bad leadership has had an effect.
Part of the issue for industry in the US as well is that we also generally lack a lot of important manufacturing resources. We get something like 65% of our aluminum from Canada. When the tariffs were first going into effect and Trump was throwing a tantrum about Canada, the auto industry declared that they would be shutting down factories within a couple of months if the tariffs went into effect because they wouldn’t be able to afford the aluminum to continue production in the country.
And industry certainly didn’t have to. Whilst Trump is wrong about the effects of trade deficit, he wasn’t wrong about it posing problems for US. Trade deficit isn’t a bad thing, because if done wisely import is essentially foreign investment in domestic production.
The fact that US manufacturers struggle is another way Trump represents the US: the US personified is a horrible short-sighted businessman that can’t get ahead with decades of a head start and endless investment pouring in.
Our entire manufacturing industry rested on its laurels for fifty years.
It didn’t fall asleep, it grew legs and walked overseas.
It didn’t fall asleep, it grew legs and walked overseas.
Legs that were supplied by Wall Street (at a profit, of course)
Our entire manufacturing industry rested on its laurels for fifty years.
You forgot about guns and ammunition, USA produces more than rest of world combined! EVERY state is involved in their manufacturing, even Hawaii.
Last time I checked, firearm sales have tripled since 2000.
Art of s/deal/steal.
This shits funny. They blew through millions of dollars to buy lobster and luxuries for the Pentagon staff. Soldiers get shit. Hopefully they get the idea that they aren’t cared for either.
Hopefully they get the idea that they aren’t cared for either.
Fragging intensifies…
When the Fyre festival has better food options than your “warriors”, you suck ass at planning.
I’m reminded of people making fun of ‘The Art of War’ for having advice like “feed your troops”.
This is why ‘The Art of War’ was written, for complete morons with no understanding of reality but put in charge of an army.
One major failure of our species is that complete morons end up in charge of armies unacceptably often.
If it weren’t for the morons we wouldn’t even need them.
Seems like the kind of meal that starts a 30 hour laundry fire.
“laundry fire”, sure.
Yeah I think it was probably a missile strike, but who knows.
On the one hand, I feel sorry for the troops.
On the other hand, we fucking told you so.
They signed up to be mercenaries. I don’t feel sorry for them in particular.
Some sign up for tuition, some have nowhere to go because there is no safety net or better options. Some people just succumb to propaganda or have a family history. Many enlisted before his second term.
I dunno, I’m super against any war, but you can’t assume they are all blood thirsty mercenaries. People have complicated situations, and even through I knew Trump round 2 would be corrupt, I did underestimate how maliciously terrible he could be.
They should be fed. They should be home. Politicians are to blame. One in particular, but there is plenty to go around.
Because you were born into a society with the carrot and stick mentality of 2000 years ago, that’s not on you of course. And I can see that they felt like there is no other option than sign up.
But if it is because you fell for the propaganda that’s 100% on you because it’s way too easy to see through that these days. Those people are basically brain dead mercenaries and deserve this meal and the any shit that’s coming to them.
Some people went in based on their grandfather’s tales of stopping the fucking Nazis, fuck damn.
None of those reasons are any better excuses.
When was the last time the US military did something good? They should have known better. Signing up to kill people isn’t suddenly okay, just because you’re desperate.
Except for a lot of people it’s never put to them that way. “Join the Navy, See the World.” “Learn a career in the Army” “Want to go to college? Serve your country for 4 years and have you tuition paid by the GI Bill.”
Should people know better? Definitely, but the sad truth is that a very large number of them didn’t know better because it was never put to them the way it was put to you.
Buying into American propaganda doesnt absolve you from responsibility and your own actions, sorry buddy.
Its funny too seeing how quickly Americans bash other corrupt governments and countries but somehow its okay for its own populace to buy into American propaganda. Thats fucking pathetic.
Who said it absolved them? It doesn’t. It explains them. And fyi, I’m not American.
It was never put to me at all. I’m just not fucking stupid and/or wilfully ignorant. Either way, being brainwashed doesn’t absolve people from all responsibility for their actions.
Yes, yes it was. You just don’t remember when. Morality is learned, for good or ill. And as I said to someone else, it doesn’t absolve them so much as it explains them.
I don’t know man. I think it’s pretty self evident that travelling the world, killing people who did you no harm for money is bad and I feel anyone with a functioning brain should be able to come to that conclusion on their own, no matter how they were brought up and what they were taught and if they can’t, then that’s on them.
I grew up in a poor rural area of the cultural south, scored very well on the ASVAB test (armed services vocational aptitude test), which was administered during school hours to all students. The recruitment drive was heavy. Maybe you grew up somewhere young people had more options.
How much slack should we give them? The worst a brainwashed MAGA-tard did was vote for it. Whereas they’re (most of them voted for it as well) willing to kill and die for it.
the sad truth is that a very large number of them didn’t know better because
And just as many didn’t see any other way to climb out of the poverty they were born into.
Those are all mercenary reasons for signing up to be a goverment killer, so they can eat this shit and then a bullet and I won’t shed a tear for these imperialist invaders. Dying there is what they signed up for, so they can do that.
You didn’t read what I wrote, did you? Or if you did, you ignored it.
No worries, have a good rest of your day.
I did. None of those are reasons to sign up to be a murderer. Skip the middleman and go kill and rob someone straight on the street if you consider greed a sufficient reason to kill people.
I can’t wait for the propaganda movie of this food based horror of war!!
The Tray Of Death!
No Potato Gets Left Behind.Starring Marky Mark Wahlberg, only at cinemas.
Nah, I don’t feel bad for the people committing war crimes in a pointless, illegal, and unjustified “special military operation” against a country just as I don’t feel bad for any of the non conscripted* soldiers in Russia’s attack on Ukraine.
*I do feel for anyone who was basically forced at gunpoint into the meatgrinder
Is this for real? The pentagon has like a trillion dollar budget and yet somehow can’t feed soldiers? Wtf is this clown shit ass corruption?
Wtf is this clown shit ass corruption?
That’s exactly what it is.
You elect clowns, you get a circus.
You’ve put the cart before the house.
Washington DC is a circus that attracts clowns
p.s. oops i meant horse
I think this is very correct but slightly off. I think its that clowns have no shame. People with shame are repelled by by power so over time DC has slowly filled with clowns as reasonable people slowly leave in shame.
Yeah, how can the richest country in the world with the biggest military budget do this shit to the people they really depend on?
Just look at the private sector in contrast. This country mints more billionaires than anywhere else while treating workers AND customers like shit and-- oh wait.
Have you not seen how often Trump has disrespected the millitary?
It’s mind-boggling that he gets away with it, even while everyday Americans reflexively say “thank you for your service” any time they encounter a soldier or veteran.
Yeah I have. It’s bonkers, but it is also indicative of our culture. sadly. That’s why I made a joke comparing the government’s exploitation and mistreatment of military members with the rest of the economy’s exploitation and mistreatment of all the other normal people. In both cases, the people in power are choosing “number goes up a little bit faster than before” over “human life and well being” repeatedly.
while everyday Americans reflexively say “thank you for your service”
I guess flags and pleading allegiance at schools has its effects.
They blew through their budget like crazy the first few weeks of the war.
They’re asking car dealerships if they can help manufacturer missiles.
it went to bougie food for HESGETH.
Don’t look up how many audits it fails.
That’s easy. Every, the answer is every audit.
Moneys is for Generals, not Grunts
How can you grift money while supplying great meals to the troops? The leadership in the USA loves the war and hates the troops.
most of it goes back in the pockets of the dnc/gop, and the contractors.
somewhat embarrassing
no this is 100% mortification levels of embarrassment. you couldn’t make propaganda that effective if you tried.
Well they will just call it a liberal conspiracy, and 50% of Americans will believe them
