I was running through some old Portal 2 quotes in my head and realized that it Cave Johnson were a real person, people would absolutely hate him.
Captain! Jack Sparrow. Fun to watch and wonder how much he plans or if he’s just good at improv. But he’s routinely sacrificing his crew-members/friends for his own advantage.
Tony Stark would be controversial. A billionaire weapons dealer who indirectly killed millions of people with his weapons. Then he turns around and decides to be a superhero but continues to cause destruction and inadvertently kill people. A lot of people would think he’s only doing heroic acts for the praise.
In the comics and movies defense, within universe he is controversial and it is a major plot point with the Sokovia Accords / Registration Act to put some guardrails around him. And in terms of character growth, he supports those laws, even though they restrict his autonomy, whereas a younger version of himself wouldn’t comply and act as a reckless narcissist.
Sheldon Cooper. Not sure if people love him as a fictional character either though…
Do you think Pokémon battles should be illegal, Ash?
No, of course not
Your pikachu is lying in a puddle of its blood.
We provide work for every town. Joy would be out of her nursing job if not for us.
The entire cast of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
We enjoy watching them because they are horrible people who never really succeed at what they are trying to do. I don’t think anyone would want to hang out with them.
That was basically the premise of Seinfeld.
IASIP was marketed as “Seinfeld on crack”
Quite literally, at times.
Seinfeld characters are whimsical. This not true of Its Always Sunny where they are at best, degenerates.
George is whimsical?
George is entirely built on the premise of doing minor things that a normal person wouldn’t consider doing: he’s a fictionalized Larry David, and ‘almost everything’ of his antics comes from David’s real experiences. As you probably know, David later did another whole show on the same premise: ‘Curb Your Enthusiasm’.
My favorite story from the cast is when Jason Alexander was talking with Larry David about a particularly unlikely scenario, saying he was having trouble relating as a character to something that would never happen to anyone. David said “What are you talking about? This happened to me.” It was then that Alexander realized that George is Larry, and he stopped doing George as Woody Allen.
That happens to be the video that I linked. Alexander then provides some more musings on Larry David and the nature of ‘Seinfeld’ and ‘CYE’.
I’m continually amazed that characters of ‘Seinfeld’ are considered awful, while those in ‘Friends’ are supposedly fine. The latter are prime fit for an answer to this post, if one digs into their morals a little.
Definitely not the main characters, but I’d love to hang out with Artemis.
I love this show and can confirm, they are the worst
I hate this show because they’re the worst.
Jesus
Jesus with the caviat of who specifically would hate him.
People would hate the real time moralising, but would love free wine and would be amazed by his party tricks, like walking on water. That was pretty cool!
Jesus would probably get on my nerves.
He never called people by their names and gave them weird nicknames and spoke in riddles like a guy who fried his brain on weed and LSD in college during an ethics class.
Bender
I think Fry would be kind of annoying too.
I know plenty of people like him
Donald J. Trump, the fictional character in Home Alone. Dude gave me the creeps, was looking at the underage Kevin like he was a pacifier
He’s widely loved?
The mentally deficient think he’s great
No they hate him so much, they elected him twice.
I mean… Yeah? In America, by the wrong sort of people, but… Yeah?
As a character in the film, no. He was barely even a character.
Barney Stinson is a creep whose actions border on rape and it was hinted he may have even been involved in human trafficking at one point
Besides Cthulhu?
Every trickster god like Loki, Q, Miss Frizzle…
Don’t forget bugs bunny
Willy Wonka may not be hated, but he would definitely be vilified. There is no way a candy maker who refused to allow inspectors into his factory would be allowed to sell candy to the general public.
Plus, under the current administration, ICE would break in and forcibly deport (kidnap) all the Ommpa Loompas.
Plus, under the current administration, ICE would break in and forcibly deport (kidnap) all the Ommpa Loompas.
Would trump deport them for not being white, save them for being orange, or leave them there because they’re already slaves?
lol now THAT’S a brainteaser
Wonka is arguably guilty of slavery and even if he didn’t kill four kids, he at least traumatized four kids. And he laid off all his workers, leading some of them to become impoverished.
I’m not sure… Elon is still praised as a visionary…
Pete “Maverick” Mitchell.
Dude should’ve been cashiered and tossed in jail a long time ago.
Sheogorath from elder scrolls is a fan favorite, but I’d hazard to say no one wants to live in a universe with a cheese obsessed mad god that regularly dicks with humans for fun.
Sheohorath gets pretty fucking dark.
At that same moment, a young woman nearby commented wistfully to herself, “The sounds of the birds are so beautiful.”
Sheogorath silently agreed with her. Mortals could not make the beautiful and inspired calls of birds. Their voices were wretched and mundane. He could not change the nature of mortals, for that was the purview of other Daedric Princes. However, he could give them tools to make beautiful sounds.
Sheogorath took hold of the petulant woman and ripped her asunder. From her tendons he made lutes. From her skull and arm bones he made a drum. From her bones he made flutes. He presented these gifts to the mortals, and thus Music was born.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.
I was genuine, but given the state of the world today I think an unstable deity of madness and whimsy periodically gifting insane relics and literal mental illnesses to people probably wouldn’t even be in the top 30.
My biggest problem with someone like Sheogorath is that he can just create a planet sized object at will and there’s nothing anyone could do to stop him
The main characters of ‘Friends’, perhaps excluding Phoebe Buffay. Once you try to figure out their morals, it’s baffling how they can be considered even half decent people.
As much as I love Friends, the show had a bad habit of loosening the character’s manners and morals for the sake of a joke. This habit gets worse as the show goes on.
I’d actually put Phoebe as the worst in this regard. Well, after the triplets and London, before that she was sweeter. It was like the writers decided she should inherit the meaner jokes from Chandler. Also she always lets the others down at the worst times.
Amos Burton from The Expanse. Fans love him but he is a deeply damaged, disturbed, violent individual with no sense of right or wrong. At one point in the books, he looks at somebody and thinks he may have to kill them. The idea doesn’t bother him. He doesn’t get pleasure from it. But they’re in his way so he’ll do it.
What made me like Amos Burton (from the series, still have to read the book) is that he is self aware enough to know this about himself, and intelligent enough to understand it as a shortcoming in many situations.
He’s a man where some part of him wants to do good, even be used for good, but doesn’t know how. But he recognises good people, and anchors himself to those he believes can use him for good.
That somehow makes him smarter than most people in the series… Or in real life, for that matter.
I tried to play a TTRPG character a bit like this one, more like a dumb brute who knew his inclinations were usually not great and aimed to find a leader who could use his strength for good. Problem was the other players weren’t experienced enough for any of them to be a leader. Usually I’d just launch into some dumb action hoping (as a player) the rest would stop me in time and get the idea they needed to be the thinkers.
Amos is self aware though. He knows he was born without a moral compass and allows Naomi, who he knows is good, to give him direction. He trusts that her decisions will keep him from crossing a line that he knows is there but he can’t see himself.
Yep.
In one of the books he is on Earth without his shipmates and pretty quickly regresses back to sociopathic behaviour.
But he recognizes this and does not welcome it. After killing a stranger just to get access to gear he needs, Amos realizes that he is making the wrong choices and states: “I need to get back to my crew.”
He has an understanding of what is good and what is bad. He cannot understand why there are limitations to by which means “good” can be achieved. But he knows these limits do exist and should be respected, therefore he needs Naomi and Holden to lead him.
True, he latches on to people he thinks are righteous, first Naomi and then Holden, and uses them as his moral compass. But when they are not around, he beats people up and kills then as his go to reaction to a threat and he has no remorse over doing it. As Naomi tells Holden about him, He is a monster. He doesn’t want to be a monster, but he is one.
Plenty of Amos’s IRL already though.
