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Alexandra Petri is courageous, Jeff Bezos is a scared little shit, spread the news.
As one who mostly read the comics on newspapers when they were a thing, this could be the much needed endorsement for that target audience.
This should be the very last piece of journalism that any one takes seriously from the Washington Post.
Both them and the NYT have shown their asses when it comes to just being propaganda mouth-pieces.
We need to re-democratize our culture, and get away from this world of billionaire possession of our cultural expression. They didn’t make it, and its not something they can own if we don’t allow it. We need to stop taking outlets like WP or NYT seriously.
NYT at least made the endorsement, the LA Times were the other cowards.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/30/opinion/editorials/kamala-harris-2024-endorsement.html
I’m not really sure what the New York Times has to do with this. WaPo is owned by a billionaire trying to hedge his bets if Trump wins and decides to take vengeance by breaking up Amazon.
NYT is fully independent.
Not sure what you mean with fully independent, but Wikipedia says "Though The New York Times Company is public, all voting shares are controlled by the Ochs-Sulzberger Family Trust. "
It’s owned by a wealthy family, and it’s reflected in what they choose to report, and more importantly what not to report.
That’s not even true. It’s a publicly traded company which means it’s owned by the shareholders. Over 90% of those shares are held by financial institutions, meaning diversified investors.
I don’t know how you could believe such a bald faced lie, and if you don’t believe it then that’s even worse.
Heh.
I read the times nearly every day. Not sure what you mean by this. Can you expand? I find their reporting on trump to be pretty real. Their interview with John Kelly straight up calling trump a fascist is pretty damning. So…
They don’t consume the main stream media. And that’s a great thing because then you can make up whatever you want about what they’ve said or not said in order to confirm whatever belief you have about them.
I can’t say for certain what they mean, but while their Trump coverage is solid, many people take issue with the way they are covering the Israel-Palestine conflict.
On another note, while I believe the John Kelly interview should be damning, if you believe it will make any difference you are living in a fantasy world.
While I don’t necessarily disagree with either of your points, neither of them have anything to do with what I was responding to.
I don’t know why people would pay for the news when they aren’t on your side.
News are not supposed to take sides, they should present facts regardless of who (dis)likes them
Except news outlets get so caught up in being “neutral” and “fair” that they won’t accurately report on things when shit gets really fucking bad like now. As an example, NYT basically made no mention of the concentration camps when they were publishing during WWII, or it was relegated to back-page short articles, because they were afraid of being accused of “bias” if they reported the truth, which was “hey Germany is literally carrying out a genocide while waging this war.” You see it NOW with tons of media outlets going “Donald Trump suggests immigrants don’t belong here” when what was actually said was “we should unleash the military to drive them out by force.”
I always liked this quote from Hunter S Thompson, from his scathing eulagy of Nixon:
Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism – which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.
Someone needs to stand up and say that people like Nixion and Trump are scum human beings, are not worthy of the respect of objective journalism, and we should stop pretending otherwise.
There is always a bias in what gets published and what doesn’t
Do you think that’s what’s happening when you look out at the landscape of news reporting today? When the owner’s interests get in the way of presenting facts I believe it all goes out the window. If it was just about newsworthiness I think you’d have a point.
That’s what our readers deserve and expect: that we are saying what we really think, reporting what we really see…
This is why I cancelled my subscription and switched to NYT. I need to be able to trust my news source, and I can’t trust the post if all it took was a call from Bezos for them to bow and kneel.
One good thing in a pool of right wing talking points.
And to lie about their reasons for doing so to their readers.
This is why I cancelled my subscription and switched to NYT. I need to be able to trust my news source
Guess you’re ignoring their genocide apologia and their constant pro-cop propaganda, then…
I need integrity.
Carrying water for a fascist apartheid regime committing genocide is indicative of a lot of things. Integrity isn’t one of them. Same goes for repeating whatever cops tell them to say.
I also respect a bad take far more than silence and cowardice in the face of adversity
There’s honest bad takes and there’s spreading deceptive misinformation. When it comes to Israel, cops, and other things that the establishment likes much more than the population in general, the NYT is constantly doing the latter at refusing to issue corrections.
As I have commented before, subscriptions are easy to cancel. I iust got this one, I’ll read it and make my own mind if it is for me or not. For the moment, the only thing I have to make my decision is the irrefutable fact that the LA Times and the Washington Post both knelt down and ate the ass of their billionaire owners on request.
Oh oh, don’t forget about vocalization of anti-transgender viewpoints: https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2023/new-york-times-bias-reporting-transgender-people/
Reading through the comments I am curious… why do people think somebody gets into the news business, especially today? One doesn’t become a media tycoon for reporting objective news. They never have. They never will. They get into the business to control the message. Why is anybody surprised by this?
I read the times. Does it have bias? Yes. Literally impossible for any journal to not have bias. Objectivity is a myth. I think it’s more important to be able to see where that bias is, and then seek a counter balance to it.
Don’t read a single source. Otherwise you’re just another Fox News viewer.
Nothing will be perfect, but there’s an editorial process. Journalists do their work trying to speak truth to power, the editors make sure their claims are fact checked and well presented. Investors cash in on sales and can (unfortunately) have a say on strategic decisions of direction and hiring and firing, but they stay out of the editorial process.
The problem here is not who “gets into the news business”. The WP had already written and approved the endorsement. Their journalists got into the industry to do journalism. It’s a job many people dream of, not a huge mystery.
The problem is who has the money to buy a newspaper. And when the asshole billionaire ends up doing it, how do they interfer with the editorial process.
the problem is who has money to buy a newspaper.”
Yes. That is what I was referring to.
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This article is literally proof that WaPo is right-wing propaganda and this stupid bot is still allowed to spam and call it leftist. Mods? Admins? Anybody?
The mods get really defensive about the bot.
WaPo is not, Bezos maybe? Or it could be he’s scared of a Trump presidency breaking up Amazon if he’s seen as an enemy. Right/Left doesn’t necessarily enter into it.
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