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The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.
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I’m sure the usual suspects will be along shortly to explain how this isn’t what it absolutely, positively is.
You called it!
Probably at the stage where it turns into ‘it doesn’t matter since she won’t win anyway, this is just a protest vote to show support for third party.’
Third party that are just Russians. What a pathetic way to protest.
Democrats: “If you don’t vote for Kamala you’re a Russian.”
If you actively go to the polls and while you’re there – instead of voting for Kamala Harris, the only viable candidate against Trump’s pro-Russia fascism – you choose to vote for a Russia-planted spoiler candidate and you live in a state that’s not safe red or safe blue, then yes, you are pro-Putin’s regime, and you unequivocally suck ass as a person.
If you go cast your vote at the polls and you’re so braindead that you can’t fathom another third-party candidate is running without being a Russian agent in disguise, and you’re so scared that your candidate that you’ve convinced yourself is a perfect deity still might lose to a lunatic, then maybe you should re-evaluate why it is that people no longer trust Democrats blindly like you think they should.
The only reason she loses is cause the peasants didn’t know what was good for the economy.
And what about the huge group of people who care more about morals than money? Just fuck them? Oh no, I forgot, they are Russians right?
Do you really not see how your intolerance is exactly the same as republicans? You know you can vote democrat and still criticize them too right?
Leftists: The Green Parry isn’t a throwaway vote at all! Here’s my 40 paragraph manifesto that explains it all with YouTube links and op-ed opinion pieces to validate the proof!
Let he who hasn’t dined at the same table as Putin cast the first stone.
What do you mean that’s everyone but Jill?
The same ones that jillsplain to everyone how her sitting there with Putin is no big deal.
You mean Shillsplain?
Even better.
Y’all literally sound as dumb as the Republicans sometimes. Its embarrassing to be associated with the democrat party these last few months I’ll say.
democrat party
Hm.
Our biggest offender would, but they’re currently serving a 3-day ban for Sealioning (public mod logs are awesome).
Don’t worry, he’ll return 2 Lemmy soon.
TIL there’s a public mod log
What an echo-chamber cop-out. Asking for claims to be backed up is trolling
Ah! Look what we have here, right on cue.
Yessir, reporting to defend democracy from efforts to keep candidates off ballots
Defending democracy… By working as hard as possible to elect the guy who wants to end it!
Weird flex.
Banning political opponents from participating in an election is the end of democracy already.
Nobody is banning anyone from participating in an election. Want to be on the ballot? Follow the state rules. Otherwise, mount a write-in campaign.
Now address the fact that you are working as hard as possible to elect the guy who wants to end democracy.
Its hard to beat American intolerance isnt it. Democrats shout everyone should get along while throwing shit at multiple groups. Republicans just do the throwing shit part.
This country needs to wash the shit off their hands and learn how to actually work together for a change.
Lol, whatever helps you sleep at night.
“Anything to beat the ‘duopoly’ of political parties, even if the party is tainted by neo-fascist dark money!”
Absolutely wild mental gymnastics lol
They really want a viable third party that peddles red fascism, BSW style.
Which party isnt tainted by neo-facist dark money?
You can spare Lemmy the whataboutisms with this one. Everyone is taking a little money from everyone else, but:
Neo-fascists absolutely prefer giving to the Republican Party above all other major parties and vice versa. It’s an open-and-shut case. Hardliners in the party routinely echo anything and everything that gets them brownie points from dictators and the country’s most degenerate billionaires.
The Democratic Party is not perfect (Israel being the elephant in the room, but make no mistake, Bibi 100% wants Trump back in office). But if anyone is pushing back against the return of fascism the most it’s the Dems. And you can see that in hostilities from Republicans and authoritarian governments alike.
The Green Party’s main candidate accepted gifts from the Russian Federation through their news network RT, which is basically a propaganda machine for the government which owns them. Stein’s ads openly said in 2016 that the Greens wanted Hillary to lose, fearmongering nuclear war with Russia. And this year it’s the same old shit with her: just make the Dems lose.
(Side note, Sputnik hired PSL’s Eugene Puryear as a long-time host. Also, PSL also has absolutely insane foreign positions. Like I’ll be the first to say the West is absolutely an imperfect cultural entity, but you don’t gotta just hand it to Putin or Kim Jong Un because they also have a problem with the hegemony.)
You should maybe learn a bit more about “whataboutism” because you seem to not be aware of when to apply it.
What I am saying is, if you dislike the green party because Russian money has made it into their coffers, but you won’t apply the same standard to democrats, then you are a hypocritical, and your message fails in my opinion.
If you think the democrats have the strongest stance against facism, you don’t understand the meaning of the word facism.
The democrats haven’t moved this country away from facism meaningfully in any way. They move the country towards profit, thats it. The republicans and democrats disagree on how to profit off the worlds misery and to what extent, but both are fascists.
The irony that americans can’t see how close republicans and democrats are in their intolerance and abuse of others.
Democrats: “We want to abuse non-white folk in other countries for profit!”
Republicans: “we want to abuse our own people to make profit!”
If you really think anyone who’s critical of the democrats is a shill or some other bullshit, then I wish you the best but thats a childish perspective.
The Green Party in the USA is f’n weird.
The Green Party has no incentive to act professionally because voters cannot punish them electorally for it.
They also, unlike their voters, understand there is no possibility of electoral success. So there is no positive incentive for it either.
Well said.
Insurrectionist*
…I would argue that even insurrectionist is being far, far too lenient. They should be called terrorists. But, yeah, calling them “rioters”…barf.
They should be called terrorists.
Stein’s campaign also paid $100,000 to a consulting firm, Accelevate, that has worked with Republican campaigns for signature-gathering services.
This is now the bar for “terrorism”?
Um, what? I’m commenting on the corporate media’s insistence on calling the insurrectionists “rioters”. I think even the term insurrectionist is a bit of a euphemism.
I’m commenting on the corporate media’s insistence on calling the insurrectionists “rioters”.
Oh, that. I mean, that was a riot in a very classic sense. To call it an insurrection feels romantic, relative to what amounted to a massive adult baby temper tantrum that left a handful of people dead. Insurrections tend to have stronger leadership and more strategy.
you: le government is bad, crooked and corrupt. We must seize the means of production!
also you: omg, those inshurexionists… they made the government poopy their pants and punched some cops (we love cops now) TERRORISTS!
Is this even real?
I mean if you believe in democratic ownership of the economy then trying to undermine the democracy is basically treason.
Reality though is we’re voting for one faction of elites and another, less competent but more brutal set of elites via an election that has the trappings of democracy. Stealing that is depriving the public of the tiny crumb of choice we have, which honestly should bring out the bloodlust against the Jan 6th people. Why take away our final bit of control?
You’re basically making the argument “Its just a crumb of democracy, why bother?” but for most people in the US it is the last remaining crumb of control over our government and expecting people to surrender it entirely to elites is some insane shit.
Elites here are generally the economic elites: Musk, Gates, Bezos, other corporate CEOs who would love nothing more than to take away the public’s final bit of influence over government.
Ahh yes, seizing the means of production by nullifying a democratic election. Look at what the longshoremen are doing on the East Coast, that is seizing the means comrade.
Nuance would be your friend, if you understood it. There’s a difference between a fascist uprising, a populist uprising, and a revolution. At this point the leftists understand that one can be far more effective online than in person, and they are killing you into a false sense of security. Marx is your friend, especially Groucho and Karl. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, and Adolf Eichmann are not.
Looking realistically at the situation, it was an ineffective riot by some clods. Knowing that and watching the politicos cower for once should bring joy to the heart of anyone who has had to deal with the system. I mean… unless you actually are a statist at heart. Then it was a great insult to the power structure.
Whoever swallows the rrats and takes great offense literally outs themselves. I’m sure they’ll downvote away but fake internet points don’t take away the stench of being a phony.
Ahh, thanks for clearly stating where you align. I’m no statist, but just from your description, you’re clearly a statist apologist.
Disregarding the fact that that particular insurrection was incited by a sitting president, those insurrectionists were and are unrepentant bigots that chose violence over the social contract. That you defend them in any aspect merely shows your own reliance on the status quo.
Come back to me when you are actually willing to throw your own comfort aside, when the cops are around. I do so every single time I see a fucking pig.
Come back to me when you are actually willing to throw your own comfort aside, when the cops are around. I do so every single time I see a fucking pig.
Based
[…] unless you actually are a statist […]
Well then.
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I’m an insurrectionary anarchist. please don’t associate them with me.
Same, when I saw Jan 6 my first thought was “damn imagine if we anarchists could organize like that and just storm the government”. Hopefully one day
I was shouting “wrong side” at my tv screen. for some reason I thought there would be a black bloc out that day.
I laughed while muttering, “they’re doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.”
Since when do we care what she does with Russia’s money?
Seriously though… the propagandists are swinging for the fences here today! Sheesh! The comments are something else!
Jill was always a double agent
Gosh, how weird.
With all this stuff about Jill coming out, it’s no wonder all the Lemmy.ml and Hexbears are so supportive of her. She’s a Russian asset!
What is the Russian word for Wumao?
It could just be she made a career out of unsucessfully running for president and doesn’t care where the money came from.
That’s supposedly how the whole Trump mess started.
You mean him just wanting to make money by running for president never actually expecting to run and regretting every minute of it while trying to be so vile he could never get elected again only to realize that’s what his base wants?
Are you confusing the Green candidate, Jill Stein with Claudia De la Cruz, the PSL candidate?
She does deserve praise for taking the correct stance regarding Gaza, but the general consensus of the Greens as a whole is that they’re useless because unlike PSL, they don’t organize between elections.
She doesn’t give a shit about Gaza.
Idk, its not like she’s ambivalent. She seems to actually support the genocide.
What has she said that makes you believe that?
She’s more anti Israel than quite literally every single member of the dem party.
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No, she’s not. I’m not sure when you people became indistinguishable from magats but man I hope some of you at least start to pretend to be normal like you guys almost did during Obama’s first run.
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Two of those aren’t news outlets, pardoning anyone that damages federal property is objectively a good thing.
Talk is cheap.
What do you expect her to do? Try to tackle Netanyahu into the Irish Embassy so he can be arrested and set to the Hague?
Well, does she want votes or campaign money for doing nothing?
She wants to stop the genocide in Gaza, making both the candidates look bad by openly opposing it pressures them to make their policy less dogshit. If winning was more important to democrats than genocide, they’d drop the genocide. Sadly, it seems they’d rather lose the election than stop the genocide.
She could just have the police grab him. And, yes, hold him in jail until he gets a date for transfer to the Hague.
Jill Stein does not control the police.
She’s against sending weapons to Israel and she’s participated in the protests.
So much hard work.
Of course they organize between elections. Just because the news doesn’t cover it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. They have parties in local office doing work year round
Nothing about this story or Jill is important except for one thing. She is aligned with Putin in denying Ukraine weapons to defend itself. She may not be purposefully supporting Putin but she is supporting his position and making his position stronger ignoring Putin’s past patterns of behavior.
Well, she didn’t pay it.
@UniversalMonk@lemmy.world, your thoughts?
I thought that username felt familiar, so I clicked through to their profile. Yup, already blocked lol.
lmao same
I think he’s still under his temporary ban ;)
Awww…temporary? Why?
Honestly, I think the mods should be promoted to sainthood for the level of patience they’ve shown with Monk (who as of late runs what seems to be a community related to MGTOW but without the toxicity called MRTOW) which is so beyond what I feel I’m capable of. I hope Monk appreciates the level of leeway they’ve been given here.
Is this MRTOW/MGTOW just mask-off incel shit? I think it would fine to ban that level of toxicity permanently.
I’m honestly not sure if sainthood is the way I’d put it. It feels negligent to me. But in fairness I’d love to hear the mods perspective on what they consider the threshold for trolling. It almost feels like it’s a secondary offense here. Like they won’t ban you for trolling, it’s got to be trolling aaaand [pejoratives|hate speech|etc].
I love how the one downvote on this comment only appeared after a certain someone’s ban had expired 🤣
Only 21 hours to go before we get graced with their wonderful presence again!
Oh boy, I can’t wait to see more sealioning, fake positivity and condescension from them!
Oh, wait. I have them blocked. Oh well!
Oh, phew. I was worried my clown signal was broken. I’ll try again.
I wish she’d go away tbh.
She’s weird.
I have more respect for people who don’t vote then I do for people who vote for her.
That is a tough call for sure. I’d have to see their down ballot votes before I decide. If they took time out of their day to be a full clown, yeah, at least the person sitting it out didn’t waste any paper while doing nothing.
And I do NOT respect people who don’t vote at all.
It’s no wonder why the .ml users love her so much.
The friend of their friend is their friend.
like Trump, she is VERY old
The US Green Party, and all other minor parties, have no incentive to act professionally or nominate serious candidates because voters can’t really punish it electorally for nominating shit candidates or other screw-ups by the party.
Green Party electoral results:
Libertarian Party electoral results:
Working Families Party electoral results:
Constitution Party electoral results:
This is the really important bit.
Like, we need third parties, but running them in federal elections is at best a dog-and-pony act, and at worst, a useful agent for the least-aligned party via the spoiler effect.
Even if a third party candidate miraculously won the presidency, they would be cockblocked their entire term.
The way they are now is an insult to democracy.
If they really wanted to do be effective, they’d best be working together where goals align. And where goals should align for all of them, voting reform and moving off FPTP, would be a damn good place to start.
But they don’t want to be effective. They just want to pop up every 4 years, get some money, con a few suckers into thinking that voting for them will give them a clean conscience, then disappear back into their hole. Giant fucking scam, all of them.
If they really wanted to do be effective, they’d best be working together where goals align.
This is what the WFP does. They have a number of members running as Democrats, or put their endorsement to democrats, where needed (or where they don’t have ballot access and need to run as Democrat).
They don’t belong in NateNate60’s list.
