Family of four, two close friends and nanny also died in crash as pilot identified as 55-year-old Jeff Gregory
Nathalia Filgueiras, 20, was co-pilot of the private Learjet 60 en route from Austin-Bergstrom international airport in Texas to North Eleuthera airport in the Bahamas on Sunday when it suddenly plummeted out of the sky, killing all onboard, her mother told the New York Times.
Later on Monday, the family of the passengers who died posted a statement on Facebook identifying the victims and paying tribute to them.
It named them as Adam Robinson, 45, a Texas-based technology entrepreneur; his wife Helen Sharp, 40; and their children, Emma, four, and Charlie, two. The statement said close family friends Rachael Reed and Charmi Fehr were also killed, along with Anita Maria Cetina, the children’s nanny.
The pilot in charge of the Learjet was identified by TMZ and other media outlets on Monday as Jeff Gregory, 55, an experienced aviator from Pennsylvania.
Private/business jets should be outlawed, on top of the ecological cost most crashes are small planes like this. And people will say “oh but they’re safer than cars”, but nobody needs a fucking jet to get places. The consequences of it failing are just too high.
You’re a bit confused on the stats
The planes that have the most accidents are general aviation (GA) planes, not chartered private jets like this
GA is the actual small planes. 2-4 seaters usually. It’s also the least experiences pilots, usually pilots building hours to be in the airlines or charters
Charters follow a lot, but not all, of the same safety regulations as commercial airlines. They do still have more accidents, for a variety of reasons
Charter companies play an important role in the pilot pipeline. Many commercial pilots work at charters while they build hours to get their ATP to be able to work at a commercial airline
If they couldn’t work at a charter, they would have to instead fly in circles to build hours. A suboptmial outcome
Mile per mile, cars are more deadly. If the concern is safety, you’d have to start there
Ugh. These businesses jets are considered General Aviation. Part 135 and Part 91 get lumped together in the stats. Part 121 is airliners and Freightliners.
General Aviation is considered statistically slightly safer than motorcycles, but single engine and multiengine get lumped in together because of how different parts of US aviation is governed.
Source: private pilot pursuing my commercial rating.
Cars are only deadly because any idiot and his dog can get a licence. If car drivers had to go through as much training and rigorous standards as pilots, cars would be safer, since they can’t fall out of the sky.
Cars also have much tighter tolerances than planes. A 1 second lapse on the highway could easily cause a multi-car collision.
Planes have this during takeoff and landing. But once they are in the air, maintain a much larger distance between themselves and any hazard. When something goes wrong, pilots have a long time to fix it.
Because our skys don’t look like this
No. Because the aviation industry doesn’t like to make mistakes twice.
Except for Boeing, they double down and fuck up their designs even more.
Boeing began to believe shareholder value is more important than safety.
(After the McDonald Douglas merger)
Yes, that’s when things went downhill…
Well, not wrong, at least, they do it in new an innovative ways every time. Rarely do I see it the same boring catastrophic failure.
Well - aside from the repeated MCAS mass murder and followup incidents, they do seem to have had had multiple toxic smoke in cockpit incidents from bird strike. So far only luck and pilot skill prevented a catastrophic loss due to that.
Shout out all the pilots.
Meanwhile, the auto industry manages absolutely every issue as a simple cost of business. Does the cost to fix/replace/prevent an issue cost more than the lawsuit or fine? If yes, then it doesn’t get done until they’re forced to fix the issue.
You should take a look at ADSB data above JFK or ATL if you think that’s the case. The density of planes is incredible. Planes are landing and departing as quickly as possible
Further, heavy traffic is less fatal. Cars are moving slowly enough that most accidents are minor
I would also point out, it isn’t close. Cars are something like 20 times more dangerous per mile than commercial aviation
Yeah I meant more that in car traffic there’s every-fucking-one driving their 2 ton shitbox in an unpredictable way causing chaos. Think of some Corusant scenes in Star wars movies where you see thousands upon thousands of speeders flying on many levels in long lines, and one mistake will crash few speeders a kilometer down to the ground
It almost hit mar a lago. I say we keep allowing them until we get a bullseye.
Hopefully its Elmos jet that goes down next!
I love how they call them ‘business jets’ instead of millionaire transports. because honestly.
They’re almost always owned by businesses, hence the moniker
Lot of companies use them to transport executives, or companies own the planes to sell charter flights
It’s exceptionally rare for an individual to own one
yeah, as a fuckin tax dodge. individuals use them, and rarely for ‘business’ travel they could accomplish easily with commercial aircraft.
All airplanes are safer than all cars, per passenger mile.
Small planes are dramatically more dangerous than commercial airliners. No, this wasn’t a Cessna, but still.
They’re not safer than cars if i remember right. Small planes are a lot more dangerous statistically per hour or mile travelled. Going per hour general aviation is 24 times more lethal https://avweb.com/insider/why-we-dont-care-about-fatal-accidents/ and yeah the link is bait to get you to read.
GA isn’t private jets, generally. Those jets are way safer than anything single engine.
So apparently the rates of crashes in general aviation are set off by drunk pilots in Alaska specifically. If you exclude alcohol-related crashes in Alaska, general aviation starts to look a lot safer.
Can we exclude drunk drivers from California (since it’s the biggest offender) and call cars safer then? We can’t remove inconvenient data and people don’t just drink and fly in one state.
Alaskan aviation is very different from the rest of the country
They literally are not even flying with the same rules and regulations
It’s still far safer than driving, but Alaskan aviation is not as safe as the rest of the country, and should be separated out due to the different rules
California is only the biggest offended because it has the biggest population.
If you go per hundred thousand people there are many states that rank high above California.
I mean, for me personally it made me feel a lot safer getting my pilot’s license because I don’t drink alcohol, so there’s very little chance I’ll ever fly drunk.
Planes have a max gross takeoff weight that much be followed at all times, unless you’re in Alaska
Alaskan pilots kept crashing because they skipped fuel to fit in another passenger so often the FAA said it was better for them to fly overweight than with absolute minimum fuel
There are a handful of regulations with an “except in Alaska” carveout
Interesting, definitely impacts the statistics
Aircrafts Georg is an outlier adn should not have been counted.
Flying in Alaska takes time if you’re not landing shitfaced you’re doing it wrong.
As opposed to cars, which have famously few consequences when things go wrong.
As much as I’d love to see them made illegal, I don’t remember the last time I saw an SUV or oversized pickup truck make a 20 foot crater.
True and fair. But, on the flip side, I don’t remember the last time I saw a private jet plow through a crowd of protestors. So, like, there are trade-offs I guess.
I think I’m getting th gist of the conversation, transportation can be dangeous. Did I sum that up well?
Tesla: hold my beer
Depends on how much TNT you load into the car
No, private cars should be outlawed too.
Sam Altman is that you?
I wish they would all switch to submarines
Or perhaps low flying, thin skinned dirigibles
Maybe they should be outlawed for environmental reasons, but private jets operated by professional service providers as in this case aren’t the “small planes” with the high crash rates. It’s the ones with piston engines and inexperienced owner-pilots that crash a lot.
Even those are roughly comparable to cars in terms of injury and death rates for a comparable trip. Driving is one of the most dangerous things the average person does, so that’s not exactly good, but it seems to be within most peoples’ risk tolerance.
The guy who chartered the flight ran this company - https://retention.com/
After reading more about his companies, RB2B and retention.com, I have to say he was a filthy scummy fuck who ran businesses that regularly exploited legal grey areas, consumer rights, and outright violate the law in many cases and jurisdictions.
I feel sorry for the fight crew, Nanny, and kids. Otherwise I only wish he would have had every executive of his scam corps in that jet with him.
Not really sure how that’s relevant to my comment, it’s still bad for planes to be falling out of the sky and killing multiple children + workers, no matter who chartered the flight.
Private jets that crash a lot kill rich assholes.
So maybe instead of banning them we lower regulations and mandate people over a certain net worth must travel by private jet.
And also they get exclusive first access to any new submersibles.
A 2 year old and a 4 year old died in terror, no amount of billionaires would be worth it.
You must be this tall to board the private jet:
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Israel and Russia have murdered hundreds of thousands of kids over the past due years, if not millions. Most of them died in equal amounts of terror, if not more, and we didn’t even get one billionaire as collateral
Well, not yet. There’s still a lot of future.
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There was a scene in a show whose title I can’t recall where a man was in a bus depot talking to a young mother with her child sleeping in her lap.
She said they were taking the bus because it was a lower carbon option.
The psychopath pointed out that the best thing she could do for the climate would be to kill her child.
A child growing up in the West, let alone a privileged one, is the single longest and biggest source of carbon emissions we know of.
Edit: The show is called Utopia. The original British version.
Fuck I forgot about that scene. Here it is:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzdmkDwuiC4
That show was incredible
Thanks for that. It’s even better than I remembered. Fucking awesome show.
Yeah I’m fine with drawing the line at child sacrifice, actually.
Bootlicker.
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Lol. I got moderated for that tame-ass response. Oh the civility!
Well, that and also hand out rocket launchers to randomly-selected citizens.
Ethical, environmental, and ground safety (these jets have to fall somewhere, after all) aside, this removes the whole hubris aspect of these crashes and implosions.
At which point you might as well use guillotines.
So you’re saying palantir is edging out the competition?
Score
wonder why the AI had him killed.
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Nobody needs X is a moot point. You also don’t need the vast majority of your possessions. Some things are simply nice to have, especially when you can afford them. There are just things that you don’t like other people having.
Also, the chance of you dying on a place crash either as a passenger or a person on the ground is astronomically small. 104 people died in a car crash yesterday in the US alone and this is true for every single day of the year.
104 people dying in a car crash yesterday says jack shit about plane safety when you haven’t normalized the data for the fact that a lot more people are driving than flying.
Mile per mile, flying in a jet is significantly safer than driving.
Yes, but when driving cars, the main danger is other cars. If there were very few cars, they would likely be a lot safer per mile too.
I remember sometime back that some rich bloke was talking about cutting cost for maintenance in airliners. Part of me wants to say that somebody got the message and started cutting corners for private jets first.