This is unacceptable. And I’m sick of all the fucking workarounds to maintain basic privacy.
I’m tired of this notion that society must protect children from reality. If parents want to raise their kids in stupid sheltered worlds, that’s their stupid fucking choice and should go no further than their choices for their kids. Sheltering children is a stupid concept. Parents should be explaining the crazy shit kids will see and give them a healthy way to absorb the bad in the world not trying to act like it doesn’t exist. We shouldn’t have to bend over backwards to capitulate to their idea of how a kid should be raised. I shouldn’t have to give up my privacy to prop up their fantasy. Personally, every kid I’ve seen be sheltered ends up a more fucked up adult. The world is fucked, kids should learn how to live in it.
I will not comply. I do not care how hard it makes my life. This is a line in the sand I will not cross. If a social media asks me to upload my government-issued ID, that’s the end of that social media. If a computer asks me to use my government ID to use it, that’s not a computer I will use. The only online service I can see that would need my government issued ID is my bank. And that’s only because they are required to collect it in order for me to have an account. Everything else can go fuck right off.
The only thing I’m most worried about is losing my job over non compliance. I can handle not participating in society. But if that’s what it takes to draw the line, I’m really considering it now and finding an alternative way to live. It’s dumb that this can even be allowed. But at this point, it’s obvious that the top just wants wage slaves to exploit in every way possible. I can’t imagine my kids growing up like that, ya know? It’s got to stop
Monero jobs.
Great find, thanks
Wait, what did we miss here?
We need to collectively abandon tech that insists on any of this. I post about this often, but I’ll say it again: this will come with discomfort; you need to be okay with that temporarily.
These ghouls cannot withstand weeks / months of boycott. They simply can’t, daddy earning reports and the shareholders won’t allow it.
The problem is that they made people addicted first. This is like saying “Everyone, we need to boycott heroin until they stop cutting it with fentanyl!”
What we need is to take over the government and enact and enforce laws against this. Hopefully by voting.
Hopefully not by voting. I absolutely loath peoples misplaced trust in bureaucratic mechanisms. If you want something done you do it, I’m not going to vote for someone in one of the pre-approved parties, just for them to give 40 reasons why it’s unreasonable. You are never allowed to vote when it could actually create change, remember that.
Sheeeit, I live in a state where we directly voted for a particular thing, like overwhelmingly the public said “yeah, do things this way for fuck’s sake!”
And the legislators? They said “we don’t think that’s in your best interest, actually, so no, don’t think we will”. And that was the end of that. (Actually not really, they did similar stuff with a couple other things too, including screwing our teachers enough to get them to organize a bit despite how heavy their workloads already are, damn was I eager to help with that!).
Voting to solve problems. Lol!!
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Dear reader, if this is you, you don’t have to begin anew the tired recapitulation of the arguments - I do vote, like a chump, every chance I get, while also knowing we simply cannot vote our way out of this, that has been engineered (and continually is!) to never happen.
Thank you for the clarification in the spoiler. It makes your argument way stronger.
We’ve lost organizational power in this country because the pedophile class has been destroying even slightly liberal third spaces. Christian coffee shops talks politics everyday, no one bats an eye. But god forbid a business support a queer person, then everyone will boycott that business because theyre doing politics.
Find your local third spaces that kinda support you, and build a community of spenders and force the third space to support you more.
What do you think can be done for more and better third spaces? I’m at an almost total loss but damn do we need them. And people can tell, even when they don’t quite have the words to describe that need, they sense the lack for certain.
I think one of the first ways is to show up. Like if a place is hosting a drag show, recognize that they’ve lost customers, so now you need to show up for the drag shows AND during regular hours.
If its somewhere you want to be a third space, then be friendly. Engage in conversation. If you’ve been going for a while, welcome new people to the space.
Third spaces don’t have to be businesses, they can be parks, libraries, and the likes. Those are a bit easier to start your community in. Make a post on a local Facebook page, “I’m going to be at this park doing this. Every Sunday at 1PM, join me.” Then show up. The first event will likely only have 2 or 3 people show up. That’s normal. Keep it up, be consistent, and don’t get down when no one shows up, do it again. People will come when they realize they’ve missed out. Make sure people know they missed out, take pictures, make it look busy.
Lastly, I think non-profits, like animal shelters, political organizations, etc. need to be opening reasons for people to visit them. Animal shelters, I think should open pet stores or have a space for dog training - so that local dog owners can meet other dog owners and raise their dogs better. Political parties should have bars/coffee shops so that people have a social third space to be, talk, and advance their party.
This was a great answer, thank you.
Run for office, then. And if that isn’t possible, then it’s time for more radical measures.
Voting won’t fix everything, but there is a good reason voter suppression exists and why most people had to have their right to vote fought for.
Run for office and do what exactly? Okay, I guess i could potentially win something at a county or city level. Great. Then I propose things, and shucks all my proposals get turned down because more bureaucracy. “We can’t do that, what with the state laws and such” I’ve literally watched this song and dance at many a city council meeting, often involving someone that I personally campaigned for!
What an absolute fucking waste of time it was for me to have even tried. I did everything the way I was supposed to, but I’m now almost 10 years into this, and I’ve got exactly nothing to show for it. Some of you might be happy doing this charade until you’re 80 years old, but not me. Take your pragmatism, utilitarianism, whatever word of the day you decide to use to justify opportunism and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
The Illinois age verification law, however, applies to Linux distributions and other open-source operating systems.
Get fucked Illinois.
goddammit of ALL the states, why IL???
Their gun laws are insane too
If by “insane” you mean barely adequate, then I agree.
“Inane” not “insane”
Whats the difference
They are two different words, with distinct meanings.
Yea I thought someone might Tell me but nvm ig
Open/libre source operating systems won’t. No matter where you live. As long as all purpose computers exist.
Enjoy not being able to use your bank, major websites, email, online shopping, pay utility bills, do basic and required civic functions online (that require alternatives of driving long distances and/or waiting on the phone for long periods of time), etc because your open source operating system doesn’t pass the attestation check.
Maybe not long after Google, Cloudflare and others will just block you behind anti-bot defenses because you don’t pass such a check and only bots would not pass such a check.
Hiding on Linux is not a solution to a legal problem. It’s at best punting.
This stuff is either defeated or you’ll enjoy living as a hermit cut off from society with your perfectly private, perfectly offline computer.
I just use a wok laptop and desktop for that stuff. My laptop and phone block everything and those are the items that travel. Not perfect but better than nothing.
My one hope with all this nonsense is that it will drive people away from centeralized products and toward more open , democratized options ( and that those options will remain excluded from these laws. )… but the world doesn’t normally go the way that I want.
However, the EFF believes that operating system providers such as Apple, Google, and Microsoft will require more personal information.
To protect the children, of course.
See, it’s very important that every minor online tells everyone they’re a minor, so predators know to stay away.
That’s if i’m thinking of the same proposed California law from some months ago that looked like it was written by someone who doesn’t know what a computer is.
In order to protect the children, you have to give us their juicy, delicious personal information. You see, without that scrumptious information that advertisers clamor for, how else are we to know not to show little Timmy beheading videos on our platform? For all we know, that predator is chatting with a 35 year old when they tell them that they’re really mature for their age. There really is nothing we can do if you don’t let us feed your information into the machine.
Stallman calls this “Service as a Software Substitute” (SaaSS): users operate weak “thin clients” while the real computing happens on someone else’s server. He argues this creates dependence and oppression because users cannot control, inspect, modify, or reliably access the software handling their data. He develops this argument in “What Does That Server Really Serve?” (2010).
Stallman was right!
……about software at least.
Pretty sure China doesn’t have laws that demand your age.
“S-SHUT UP DANKIE.”
Do you ever talk about anything else? China knows everything about everyone, from your age to the last time you gooned
couldn’t be more sour could you 🤣
It also drives me nuts as a non-American that random states in America can pass laws that I then have to deal with.
I mean I already use Linux but I’m sure I’m going to bump into this somewhere eventually. I think this might be the final straw though, I pretty much don’t use any social media as it is, this might be the thing that just makes me detach from the internet altogether, or as much as humanly possible at least.
Yeah I hear you. Now you got to do a facial scan and fingerprinting and all sorts of other stupid shit. I wonder what the angle is? Are they trying to keep kids off the internet? So now I have to throw my information up there because parents can’t manage their kids?
There are sophisticated algos for fingerprinting. It might take several data points to identify you on the internet. If they have your IP and your date of birth, they only need two.
The real workaround is using Linux. Age verification isn’t truly enforceable in Open Source software
Apps will get your age range from your operating system using an application programming interface (API). In other words, they’ll ask the operating system for your age range and get a response.
It’s likely that we’ll get block if on Linux unless if the OS has a token for that check.
But I agree with you, Linux is the way to go. Windows will end up being a surveillance camera first and foremost, especially if you couple the “age” check with the cloud integration.
My DoB is 2000/01/01 then
I thougt everyone was doing January 1, 1970, or whenever the Unix epoch is.
Sigh, guess it’s time to bust open a pre-code copy of ‘How to build Linux from scratch’
I fucking guess. I am at the point where I will take my children out of school if they are forced to do face scans or give any ID in order to participate and learn. I’m almost at the point where I would rather lose my job than comply with this
Children don’t usually have ID. You only need to provide ID to prove you’re an adult.
Will someone just hurry up and build a wall around the usa?
We’re building it as fast as we can!
It needs a roof too.
Please don’t give our government more ideas, they might actually do it
The wall is for the rest of the world, the usa had its chance to be decent and chose to be the exact opposite for many decades. Now even with something as revolting as trump, the people still show no sign at all of ever waking up and being decent.
I2P and onion don’t need it
that’s a butt plug with built-in rectal warmer
