My posting is centered around a number of comms that are on Piefed.social. Thus, I’d have to move those comms if I wanted to keep using the Fediverse as I was, and that’s an arduous process. Basically building back up from scratch. I’ve done it three times so far, once when moving from Reddit, once involuntarily (when Kbin shut down), and once when moving from .world.
I just don’t have a fourth in me. And even if this reverses, I have no reason to believe that the Piefed admins won’t try something like this again, since they’ve made it clear it’s a fundamental part of their thinking about the future of their instance.
Even if I did have the motivation for a fourth migration, the whole notion of instability from decisions at-the-top in an instance means my experiences on the Fediverse have made me wary of how ephemeral any work I put in is going to be.
I wasn’t a power user on Reddit. I wasn’t even a particularly active lurker. So… I’ll go back to not being an active member of online communities. Return to doomscrolling Facebook and Tumblr without participation, I guess. Game more. I enjoyed sharing history on the Fediverse more than all of that, but not if my user experience is going to be shitty or require a reworking of my communities every year. At that point, I’d rather just keep to myself, and the Fediverse doesn’t have enough content for me to just be a satisfied lurker on here.
So. I’m out. Sorry to everyone who enjoyed me. I enjoyed sharing trivia, and had a good time here, but I can’t continue under these conditions. I wish the best to the Fediverse as a whole.
Even if I did have the motivation for a fourth migration, the whole notion of instability from decisions at-the-top in an instance means my experiences on the Fediverse have made me wary of how ephemeral any work I put in is going to be.
Right, sure, but I would spin up the infra and hand you the keys.
Being an admin is more than I signed up for, I have no understanding of server shit, and that just means the eventual possibility of instability is on me, as I’m not in the best health - or best country - to begin with. Health is what wrecked poor Ernest and Kbin, not decisions on his part, after all.
On top of that, the issue of migration I’m talking is not spinning up a new comm - that takes all of five minutes. It’s building the community back up. People don’t migrate with the community migration - comms ‘catch’ many casual users over the course of their existence who are nonetheless vital for its day-to-day functioning.
I appreciate that you want me here, but it’s certainly not that I feel driven off by the community. I just don’t have it in me to continue in unstable conditions, and all I see from the Fediverse, after my experiences here, is instability or the possibility thereof.
I just don’t have it in me to continue in unstable conditions, and all I see from the Fediverse, after my experiences here, is instability or the possibility thereof.
Life is entropy, I guess. Sorry if that adds an unneeded existential crisis to what you’re already dealing with, but it’s the truth. Stable systems/conditions are a myth.
I know you said you don’t have another migration in you, and I’m not going to try to convince you otherwise. But if you ever change your mind, sopuli seems pretty chill. I honestly don’t know much about it, but that’s exactly what I mean. I’ve literally never seen or heard anything from the sopuli admins. For all I know they don’t even exist. They do of course, somewhere in the background, but they’re very hands-off. I think they’re based in Finland.
Life is entropy, I guess. Sorry if that adds an unneeded existential crisis to what you’re already dealing with, but it’s the truth. Stable systems/conditions are a myth.
Yeah, but some conditions are less unstable than others. I don’t mind so much participating in something that has a decent chance of being radically different - or dead - in ten years. In one year? That’s… a level of instability that is much less appealing.
Absolute stability might be a myth, but there’s still a difference between modern Finland and Sengoku Jidai Japan.
I know you said you don’t have another migration in you, and I’m not going to try to convince you otherwise. But if you ever change your mind, sopuli seems pretty chill. I honestly don’t know much about it, but that’s exactly what I mean. I’ve literally never seen or heard anything from the sopuli admins. For all I know they don’t even exist. They do of course, somewhere in the background, but they’re very hands-off. I think they’re based in Finland.
Honestly, my move to Lemmy.world was only out of the hope that Kbin’s demise might be temporary. I’m… in general averse to instances using Lemmy, not because of admins, but because of the devs. Even right now, there’s a massive banner of the genocide-denying fascist devs of Lemmy begging for money on Sopuli.
My move from Piefed is based on my user experience (and, to a lesser degree, the user experience of others, which will likely inhibit growth and the long-term health of the system). My move from Lemmy was fundamentally on moral grounds - I’d prefer to minimize the help I give to fascists like the devs, even indirectly.
I’ve certainly never heard anything bad about the Sopuli admins, but I’m definitely not moving back to a Lemmy instance.
Yeah, but some conditions are less unstable than others
True. I’ve got no argument there.
I’m… in general averse to instances using Lemmy, not because of admins, but because of the devs.
I get that. I’ve been wanting to move to piefed because of this too, but now I’m not sure which instance to use. I’ll have to wait and see which one’s don’t implement the vote quota, because fuck that.
Even right now, there’s a massive banner of the genocide-denying fascist devs of Lemmy begging for money on Sopuli.
I haven’t noticed that. Is it only on the website? I’m using summit and the only donation banner I see on their homepage is one of the admins’ patreon, and a few crypto wallets.
They even have a link to !ukraine@sopuli.xyz, so I assume that means they’re not tankies or .ml supporters.
Again, I’m not trying to talk you out of your decision. Just sharing my experience and (limited) knowledge. I honestly don’t blame you for leaving over this change, I probably would too in your situation. I’m just sad to see it.
If I had known they would implement such a drastic change so quickly, I would have argued more with rimu in that post where he shared the charts. It probably wouldn’t have changed anything though, and I was already burnt out from arguing with tankies and trolls elsewhere on the fediverse. I was probably too grumpy to form a constructive and cool-headed argument anyway.
Have you tried using a PieFed’s community migration feature when moving from lemmy.world? Did the feature live to its promises?
No, I moved over manually in large part because it wasn’t so much that I wanted to preserve the archive of history shitposts (though I did, a bit) but because it allowed me to generate high activity for a while with less effort. So I could post 3-4 times a day, using the ‘best-of’ from the old comms, instead of once or twice a day trawling the dark corners of the internet for good material, rebuilding the comm audience.
Just a suggestion. If it’s too much work just don’t. Don’t worry about it, don’t fret over it, don’t migrate. You always have the option to just let things be what they will be. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Unless the whole point for you was moderating building and maintaining communities, and not necessarily the posts you make. If it’s getting in the way of enjoying yourself. Perhaps you don’t need it. I know for myself it’s something I’ve had to face a few times. Planning a workable balance between passion, obsession, and reality. No matter how terminally online we might be. Reality will always win in the end. I’ve absolutely had some issues with myself and burnout outside the fedi recently. But I’ve only stepped back. Not disappeared.
Just flip back to one of your other accounts.
My posting is centered around a number of comms that are on Piefed.social. Thus, I’d have to move those comms if I wanted to keep using the Fediverse as I was, and that’s an arduous process. Basically building back up from scratch. I’ve done it three times so far, once when moving from Reddit, once involuntarily (when Kbin shut down), and once when moving from .world.
I just don’t have a fourth in me. And even if this reverses, I have no reason to believe that the Piefed admins won’t try something like this again, since they’ve made it clear it’s a fundamental part of their thinking about the future of their instance.
Even if I did have the motivation for a fourth migration, the whole notion of instability from decisions at-the-top in an instance means my experiences on the Fediverse have made me wary of how ephemeral any work I put in is going to be.
I wasn’t a power user on Reddit. I wasn’t even a particularly active lurker. So… I’ll go back to not being an active member of online communities. Return to doomscrolling Facebook and Tumblr without participation, I guess. Game more. I enjoyed sharing history on the Fediverse more than all of that, but not if my user experience is going to be shitty or require a reworking of my communities every year. At that point, I’d rather just keep to myself, and the Fediverse doesn’t have enough content for me to just be a satisfied lurker on here.
So. I’m out. Sorry to everyone who enjoyed me. I enjoyed sharing trivia, and had a good time here, but I can’t continue under these conditions. I wish the best to the Fediverse as a whole.
What If I build you your own instance on my network and we federate from that?
I appreciate the offer, but that runs into
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Right, sure, but I would spin up the infra and hand you the keys.
Keep your account active for two more weeks and I’ll DM you details?
I’ll even handle the migration, all you have to do is post.
Being an admin is more than I signed up for, I have no understanding of server shit, and that just means the eventual possibility of instability is on me, as I’m not in the best health - or best country - to begin with. Health is what wrecked poor Ernest and Kbin, not decisions on his part, after all.
On top of that, the issue of migration I’m talking is not spinning up a new comm - that takes all of five minutes. It’s building the community back up. People don’t migrate with the community migration - comms ‘catch’ many casual users over the course of their existence who are nonetheless vital for its day-to-day functioning.
I appreciate that you want me here, but it’s certainly not that I feel driven off by the community. I just don’t have it in me to continue in unstable conditions, and all I see from the Fediverse, after my experiences here, is instability or the possibility thereof.
Life is entropy, I guess. Sorry if that adds an unneeded existential crisis to what you’re already dealing with, but it’s the truth. Stable systems/conditions are a myth.
I know you said you don’t have another migration in you, and I’m not going to try to convince you otherwise. But if you ever change your mind, sopuli seems pretty chill. I honestly don’t know much about it, but that’s exactly what I mean. I’ve literally never seen or heard anything from the sopuli admins. For all I know they don’t even exist. They do of course, somewhere in the background, but they’re very hands-off. I think they’re based in Finland.
Yeah, but some conditions are less unstable than others. I don’t mind so much participating in something that has a decent chance of being radically different - or dead - in ten years. In one year? That’s… a level of instability that is much less appealing.
Absolute stability might be a myth, but there’s still a difference between modern Finland and Sengoku Jidai Japan.
Honestly, my move to Lemmy.world was only out of the hope that Kbin’s demise might be temporary. I’m… in general averse to instances using Lemmy, not because of admins, but because of the devs. Even right now, there’s a massive banner of the genocide-denying fascist devs of Lemmy begging for money on Sopuli.
My move from Piefed is based on my user experience (and, to a lesser degree, the user experience of others, which will likely inhibit growth and the long-term health of the system). My move from Lemmy was fundamentally on moral grounds - I’d prefer to minimize the help I give to fascists like the devs, even indirectly.
I’ve certainly never heard anything bad about the Sopuli admins, but I’m definitely not moving back to a Lemmy instance.
True. I’ve got no argument there.
I get that. I’ve been wanting to move to piefed because of this too, but now I’m not sure which instance to use. I’ll have to wait and see which one’s don’t implement the vote quota, because fuck that.
I haven’t noticed that. Is it only on the website? I’m using summit and the only donation banner I see on their homepage is one of the admins’ patreon, and a few crypto wallets.
They even have a link to !ukraine@sopuli.xyz, so I assume that means they’re not tankies or .ml supporters.
Again, I’m not trying to talk you out of your decision. Just sharing my experience and (limited) knowledge. I honestly don’t blame you for leaving over this change, I probably would too in your situation. I’m just sad to see it.
If I had known they would implement such a drastic change so quickly, I would have argued more with rimu in that post where he shared the charts. It probably wouldn’t have changed anything though, and I was already burnt out from arguing with tankies and trolls elsewhere on the fediverse. I was probably too grumpy to form a constructive and cool-headed argument anyway.
It just sucks overall.
Have you tried using a PieFed’s community migration feature when moving from lemmy.world? Did the feature live to its promises?
(piefed.zip does not implement the voting quota)
No, I moved over manually in large part because it wasn’t so much that I wanted to preserve the archive of history shitposts (though I did, a bit) but because it allowed me to generate high activity for a while with less effort. So I could post 3-4 times a day, using the ‘best-of’ from the old comms, instead of once or twice a day trawling the dark corners of the internet for good material, rebuilding the comm audience.
Just a suggestion. If it’s too much work just don’t. Don’t worry about it, don’t fret over it, don’t migrate. You always have the option to just let things be what they will be. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Unless the whole point for you was moderating building and maintaining communities, and not necessarily the posts you make. If it’s getting in the way of enjoying yourself. Perhaps you don’t need it. I know for myself it’s something I’ve had to face a few times. Planning a workable balance between passion, obsession, and reality. No matter how terminally online we might be. Reality will always win in the end. I’ve absolutely had some issues with myself and burnout outside the fedi recently. But I’ve only stepped back. Not disappeared.