• almost_genocide@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Because they live in America! If they’ve never lived in Israel, how are they Israeli?

    Because they’re a citizen of Israel.

    It gives influence to Israel they don’t deserve.

    … Israel has direct control over who is Israeli.

    Again, you seem highly motivated to dismiss this without any apparent stake. What aren’t you telling me about your biases here?

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      Again, you seem highly motivated to dismiss this without any apparent stake. What aren’t you telling me about your biases here?

      My bias is in reality, not politic. Politics influence reality, but they are not reality. Again, I can make a document that says I’m a citizen of wherever I want. Does that make it true? Even if that government agrees with it, does that make it real?

      If they aren’t part of the culture of that group (no, Israel culture does not equal judeism), how does it make sense to describe them as a member of that culture? If you actually immigrate to another country many of the people will never see you as fully a member of that culture, because you didn’t grow up immersed in it.

      You continously saying “you’re biased” to not engage with what I’m saying is annoying. Everyone is biased. You’re biased to think that any claim of citizenship to Israel makes them actually a part of Israeli society. If you accept every claim every government makes then sure, they’re Israeli. If you think that they actually need to be a part of the culture, they aren’t. Governments agree on stuff all the time that the people don’t agree with. A government document doesn’t create reality.

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        Well I can see you downvoted my comment but didn’t respond. You’re only confirming my suspicions. At best you’re a Christian who’s been suckered into the whole “Chosen People” bullshit. At worst you’re Jewish or Israeli and consider American citizens obligated to support your people’s genocide of Palestinians.

        Either way, you’re more interested in contorting reality to fit your worldview.

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          I didn’t respond because it’s not relevant and this has gone on too long and nothing is changing. In an atheist, and explicitly this is against Israel doing what they’re doing. Going with the assumption that jew=Israeli gives them power.

          Also, you’re contorting reality. This all started because you claimed most Jewish people in NYC are Israeli. I proved that couldn’t be true, yet you just kept arguing with me.

          When I don’t respond again, know that it’s because you’re annoying and I’m tired of this endless banter. It isn’t because you’re correct.

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              I fucking am. Man, you suck at comprehension. Going along with the premise that all the jews in NYC are Israeli is granting Israel power. What do you not get about that? Stop arguing in their favor, and acting like it’s me who is.