Sure but class inequality is what exacerbates gender inequality. Under capitalism anyone who is working class is forced to sell their labor to survive. Women are inherently disadvantaged here because their labor is required for social reproduction. Even assuming an equal distribution of housework and raising kids women have to do the unpaid work of pregnancy, childbirth, nursing, etc. Capitalists will therefore discount the value of a women’s labor regardless of her individual capabilities or productive output. As a result women are often forced to depend on the men in their lives for financial stability.
Conservatives are hell bent on normalizing this unnatural inequality between the sexes because doing so protects the underlying class inequality between owners and workers. This is what helps to create a sexist culture that even wealthy women have to endure. However, a woman who can live off of the growth of her investments is not facing the full weight of gender inequality that a working class woman must contend with. She does not have to deal with the threat of homelessness, hunger, and poverty that keeps many working class women dependent on men. Her financial stability is already assured because of her class position and the exploitation of the working class. That gives her far more freedoms than even most working class men.
The obvious solution to the problem is to upend capitalism which is what reinforces class. That creates the possibility of actually valuing reproductive labor and giving universal financial independence to all women. If you just try to address gender inequality alone without upending capitalism you won’t be able to succeed. Even if somehow you did, the vast majority of inequality would remain because most inequality can be explained by class alone. So while its true that gender and class issues are interrelated, abolishing class creates the conditions necessary to abolish gender inequality.
If you just try to address gender inequality alone without upending capitalism you won’t be able to succeed.
This but in reverse! If you just try to crush capitalism without eradicating gender inequality you will probably fail. If the working class isn’t even united and equal between its genders how could you muster the strength to abolish the upper class?
There’s a difference between rejecting sexism within a movement and trying to abolish gender inequality. I agree that the former is important for building solidarity. However the latter is likely impossible under capitalism.
Gender is still a problem as you move up in class. A rich woman will have more protections than a poor woman, but not as much protection as a rich man.
I’m not sure that’s really a foregone conclusion or what evidence you have to say we can’t all be against billionaires without having gender equality.
I am for gender equality, but it really isn’t required for class solidarity.
At least I understand why you are so tenaciously stuck to this perspective now. So please tell my why it is we need the gender issues to be solved simultaneously.
Maybe we can’t have gender equality until we solve the class one, that makes sense to me… the ruling class are mainly responsible for sustaining the culture divide.
Gender and class issues are intertwined.
Sure but class inequality is what exacerbates gender inequality. Under capitalism anyone who is working class is forced to sell their labor to survive. Women are inherently disadvantaged here because their labor is required for social reproduction. Even assuming an equal distribution of housework and raising kids women have to do the unpaid work of pregnancy, childbirth, nursing, etc. Capitalists will therefore discount the value of a women’s labor regardless of her individual capabilities or productive output. As a result women are often forced to depend on the men in their lives for financial stability.
Conservatives are hell bent on normalizing this unnatural inequality between the sexes because doing so protects the underlying class inequality between owners and workers. This is what helps to create a sexist culture that even wealthy women have to endure. However, a woman who can live off of the growth of her investments is not facing the full weight of gender inequality that a working class woman must contend with. She does not have to deal with the threat of homelessness, hunger, and poverty that keeps many working class women dependent on men. Her financial stability is already assured because of her class position and the exploitation of the working class. That gives her far more freedoms than even most working class men.
The obvious solution to the problem is to upend capitalism which is what reinforces class. That creates the possibility of actually valuing reproductive labor and giving universal financial independence to all women. If you just try to address gender inequality alone without upending capitalism you won’t be able to succeed. Even if somehow you did, the vast majority of inequality would remain because most inequality can be explained by class alone. So while its true that gender and class issues are interrelated, abolishing class creates the conditions necessary to abolish gender inequality.
This but in reverse! If you just try to crush capitalism without eradicating gender inequality you will probably fail. If the working class isn’t even united and equal between its genders how could you muster the strength to abolish the upper class?
There’s a difference between rejecting sexism within a movement and trying to abolish gender inequality. I agree that the former is important for building solidarity. However the latter is likely impossible under capitalism.
Idk sort of agree, systemically.
If you are of high enough class, gender aint a problem.
Either way, its the class that I have a problem with regardless whether one gender or another.
I promise I wont discriminate here, believe me.
Gender is still a problem as you move up in class. A rich woman will have more protections than a poor woman, but not as much protection as a rich man.
Depends who’s richer
Take a wild fucking guess what gender the majority of the upper class is.
You can be pedantic all you want, but gender and class are not separate issues.
You’re not making an argument that I don’t understand or have an opposing view for.
Im saying its of secondary importance. And if you want an equal proportion of B$ out there, I still want them all at the bottom of the ocean.
This is the opposing view of mine. They’re equal in importance because we can’t have class solidarity without gender equality.
I’m not sure that’s really a foregone conclusion or what evidence you have to say we can’t all be against billionaires without having gender equality.
I am for gender equality, but it really isn’t required for class solidarity.
At least I understand why you are so tenaciously stuck to this perspective now. So please tell my why it is we need the gender issues to be solved simultaneously.
Maybe we can’t have gender equality until we solve the class one, that makes sense to me… the ruling class are mainly responsible for sustaining the culture divide.
How do we even begin to work towards class solidarity if we’re to ignore the subjugation of women?