• ceenote@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    I feel like I could ask any random guy on the street how many American soldiers have died so far, and they’d tell me 7, but if I asked them how many little girls died when they bombed that school, they’d be like “fake news, we’d never bomb a school.”

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      To be fair, some if might be fake news. Iran has propaganda too.
      Don’t take this in any way to be pro US or IL.

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        4 days ago

        Wild ass take. This isn’t something that only Iranian news is reporting. Show some respect for the dead children at the very least.

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          Lol. It’s not a, “wild ass take”, as you so eloquently vomited.
          It’s more like a pragmatic ass take.
          Not sure what you mean about showing these children respect, because that’s not how respect works, and certainly you’re not the one who decides how respect is doled.
          If you mean to say do I care about children, the answer is absolutely and of course, and the guy who pressed the button to launch any weapon to kill innocent children on purpose should have his knob guillotined off.
          But that’s not my point. I’m talking about propaganda.

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            It isn’t propaganda either. It’s just a fact. The US bombed an all girls school in Iran. A double tap, in fact. That’s where they drop one bomb and then when everyone goes outside to see what’s happening and help, they drop another one. It’s designed specifically to maximize casualties.

            So go ahead and talk about propaganda all you want. But maybe do it somewhere else, where it’s actually relevant.

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              Now, this is just silly. I’d think the US have capability to destroy a school in one strike if they wanted to. What you’re saying is the US specifically have to strike twice, because they don’t have a means to reduce a civilian building to rubble. And what’s the point, anyway? Now with all the whiplash, they couldn’t predict this beforehand? Or, if it was intentional, they would have a specific goal in mind?

              I’m as much outraged as you are, don’t get me wrong. I just think it was a terrible mistake on the US part on par with starting this conflict all together

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        wasn’t there a recent investigation and initial confirmation by the Pentagon and NYT that the US was responsible?

        of course the motivation and will is there for Iran to stage a “false flag” operation to damage the reputation of the US and present themselves as victims to the rest of the world, but the specifics of this case quickly dispel that notion, such as the school being adjacent to an Iranian navy base, and the school house having been previously used by the navy and only later converted to a school, as well as analysis of footage that confirmed the missile that struck the school was a missile the US has access to but Iran does not … so it is far more likely the US just didn’t update their intel and had old target data.

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          I believe there is some Iranian state media pictures of the aftermath where the exif data date said 2020 for one picture, a close up I believe, and then a wider shot the exif date is 2026, though it doesn’t appear that the pictures are shot with different cameras where one of them may have an incorrect date. It looks like the same photo just cropped.

          Anyway I’m not trying to diminish Iranians. Any loss of life is terrible and the aggressors are terrible. I’m just saying it’s hard to know of the exact truth of these situations.

          I saw a reel with a comedian who said something to the effect of, "hey did you ever noticed that Wars are just conservatives of a certain country attacking conservatives of another country? It’s like they hold a mirror up and see their reflection and get pissed about it. "

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    Feel the same way about people wringing their hands over dead US soldiers, as though they’re the only people who matter.

    A Thai shipping frigate just got hit in the Straight of Hormuz, and I have seen absolutely nobody on national news raise the question of whether any of the crew were injured or killed. Similarly, Israel and the UAE have been incredibly close-mouthed about civilian deaths from Iranian attacks into civilian areas, because they consider it a public embarrassment. Nobody seems to want to talk about the “collateral damage”.

    And then there’s the death toll in Iran itself. I was getting ear-blasted with “Iranian Government Murders 10,000! 20,000! 30,000! people!” for weeks. Suddenly, Iranian deaths don’t matter, unless they’re high ranking politicians or military figures.

    This reeks of the same coverage we got out of Gaza, Ukraine, Sudan, and Ethiopia. National news is entirely contained within jingoistic nationalist terms. We’re covering (and increasingly gambling) on the outcome like its a basketball game.

    Vile.

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    And this is the best case scenario. It’s either this or they literally think they’re meaningless collateral in the West’s noble mission to save the world.

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    yea, like 90% of the criticisms I as an american hear towards this war is that we “aren’t doing it right.” and that “when we bombed Iraq we did it right.” just that we aren’t massacring people correctly, no problem with the massacring itself. of course, these same people absolutely would not accept that all this bloodshed is literally just to keep up with the hyper inflated fuel economy of the light truck tanks that litter our shitty fucking roads. which is an impossible task on it’s own btw even if the US got oil out of this the trucks will simply get bigger, and their fuel economy will simply get worse unless fundamental change happens.

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    But also like fuck off America, you bitch about petrol prices when you make the majority of your own fuel, your fuel is still comparitively cheap and affected by supply interruptions compared to the rest of the world.
    Your not hurting as much as you make out to be on the news, and maybe if you didnt drive cars that use 10L/Km you wouldnt even notice the price change.

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      yes, the US is much more insulated from the consequences of its government’s actions than other nations, and citizens here have absolutely no awareness of what life is like outside the US (though tbh, I don’t think most Americans are aware of what life is like for their fellow citizens - there is a profound capacity to rationalize their own suffering and to victim-blame others for the needless suffering they experience).

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    Its horrifying how they consider bombing and killing of brown people as some distraction

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    i was hoping to get back into gig work soon, but without gasoline i guess i’m just gonna die in a ditch