Vance sat down with Maria Bartiromo on Sunday and tried to flip the script on the ongoing fallout surrounding the Trump administration’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein case
“I have to say, Maria, I laugh at the Democrats who are now all of a sudden so interested in the Epstein files. For four years, Joe Biden and the Democrats did absolutely nothing about this story. We know that Jeffrey Epstein had a lot of connections with left-wing politicians and left-wing billionaires,” Vance told Bartiromo, adding: And now President Trump has demanded full transparency from this. And yet somehow the Democrats are attacking him and not the Biden administration, which did nothing for four years.
Biden should have released everything. GW should have never given him the “no prosecution” deal, and Obama should have blown the whistle before people even knew his name. And trump should have also done it his first term
That’s what Vance doesn’t understand.
trump can’t really “both sides” things anymore, he is the Republican party now.
Meanwhile the DNC finally bucked neoliberism and while we still got some shit incumbents, the party is back on the right course for the next presidential.
In 2028 we can have a progressive with no neoliberal baggage who gets those “both sides suck” votes, and that’s a huge demographic these days.
In 2028 we can have a progressive with no neoliberal baggage
I’ll believe it when I see it. I fully expect the superdelegates to crown another milquetoast neolib as nominee. Newsom or Harris probably. There will almost certainly be some silliness in 26 and 27 to get some lesser-known names propped up some so that they can have a chance, but we’ll have a stage with 15 people on it and only about 3 will be taken seriously. Idk who specifically to even hope for right now. There are some good younger Dems, but they need more time in the oven before even attempting a presidential run. Fox News has done a good job demonizing certain names such that even people who aren’t plugged into it have heard and believe the attacks.
For example, I don’t think AOC could get elected for anything other than her current district or maybe Senate. She might even hurt a ticket as a VP pick. She might be good on a cabinet, but that’s not elected, and that’s probably the end of her political career.
Buttigieg has been doing the work of getting on right wing media to surgically dismantle attacks and explain how his policy positions benefit everyday Americans, and I think he usually comes off as intelligent and compassionate, not condescending. As with all politicians, I don’t put him on any sort of pedestal, but he’s putting in the work and proving he has effective communication, and that’s an incredibly important skill for a president to have.
Idk. There’s still a little hope in the tank here, and I’ll vote in my primary to try to get somebody who isn’t ass garbage, but I expect something like Newsom v Youngkin/Vance if trump isn’t still alive and cancelling elections to cling onto power.
Is Buttigieg not a neoliberal?? As I recall, neoliberalism is characterized by austerity, de-regulation, tax cuts, and privatization.
He certainly seemed pro-austerity and pro-privatization back in 2019-2020 with his milquetoast “Medicare for All Who Want It” talk. And he is from McKinsey after all.
Yep, that’s more or less why I said I don’t put him on a pedestal. But as DOT secretary, he recognized the need for collecting tax dollars and using them effectively, plus things like the East Palestine, Ohio train derailment resulted in him directly, loudly, publicly raising awareness to the need to regulate these essential industries and sectors more stringently to prevent future disasters.
I think he’s learned a lot in the past 5 years. I’m open to people having the ability to learn and grow if they’re showing actual evidence of it, and he is imo. I can’t hold his McKinsey roots against him forever. I worked at Walmart for a few months nearly 20 years ago, and that has very little to do with who I am now.
Who are you hoping will be the progressive Democrat that runs in 28 that proves that neoliberal policies are just a thing of the past?
It just seemed like overconfidence to proclaim any sense of achievement in that arena without yet achieving anything or even naming names. I want you to be right, but fascism is very much on the rise and the opposition party isn’t doing much to signal any real opposition aside from leaving Texas to withhold quorum for the absurd redistricting vote and I guess not blocking Mamdani from winning the NY mayoral primary.
Just feels a little like Bush’s premature Mission Accomplished banner 20 years before giving up and pulling out of the conflict.
It just seemed like overconfidence to proclaim any sense of achievement in that arena without yet achieving anything or even naming names
Tell me who the fastest to run a hypothetical obstacle course that I haven’t built yet…
Getting neoliberals out of the DNC leadership was building the course, that was the hard part and something I’ve wanted for 30 years even tho I was a kid when I started.
That is an absolutely huge win, and it happened about 7 months ago
So fuck yeah, I’m gonna celebrate, I’m gonna be optimistic.
If you don’t understand what we did, you’ll keep thinking there’s no reason to be optimistic.
But if you wait for billionaire media to talk about it in a realistic light, they won’t.
Because billionaires lost the party and they don’t want anyone to notice so they can take it back.
I’m not gonna stop being proud of what we did because people haven’t noticed.
My bad, I didn’t know anything had changed recently with the DNC. Idk anything about the new people, but I imagine it must be a good start if you’re so excited about it and since the changes all happened pretty much immediately after losing 2024.
Alright, my hope tank just got up to like halfway lol.
Ken Martin is the new chair, and he was chair of Minnesota for the last decade.
It’s not that he’s a progressive, it’s that he has zero bias in the primary and doesn’t think a party should meddle.
That’s why Minnesota went from purple to solid blue. Where some of the most progressive House members can get elected, and a guy like Walz could be Governor.
Him getting the keys to the DNC is just ridiculously huge for 99.99% of us, it’s just the other 0.01% control what gets said in the media, and they want us ignorant
So they could take the opportunity and release the shit and look like the good guys “oh look, we have nothing to hide”…. Instead, they continue with the “whataboutism”, which has only made them look more guilty… they have literally handled it in the worst case possible.
We’ll fight that fight in the general, state by state because the states run general elections.
What’s been the problem of the Dem party, is they were rigging primaries so the general doesn’t matter.
We can get a popular Dem to the general in 2028, some people that vote in that election might not have ever seen that in their life time. A shit ton haven’t been able to vote in a general where the Dem candidate was actually popular.
I think red states that have the numbers to try and cheat in a general. Were already giving all their electoral colleges votes to Republicans anyway.
Biden should have released everything. GW should have never given him the “no prosecution” deal, and Obama should have blown the whistle before people even knew his name. And trump should have also done it his first term
That’s what Vance doesn’t understand.
trump can’t really “both sides” things anymore, he is the Republican party now.
Meanwhile the DNC finally bucked neoliberism and while we still got some shit incumbents, the party is back on the right course for the next presidential.
In 2028 we can have a progressive with no neoliberal baggage who gets those “both sides suck” votes, and that’s a huge demographic these days.
I’ll believe it when I see it. I fully expect the superdelegates to crown another milquetoast neolib as nominee. Newsom or Harris probably. There will almost certainly be some silliness in 26 and 27 to get some lesser-known names propped up some so that they can have a chance, but we’ll have a stage with 15 people on it and only about 3 will be taken seriously. Idk who specifically to even hope for right now. There are some good younger Dems, but they need more time in the oven before even attempting a presidential run. Fox News has done a good job demonizing certain names such that even people who aren’t plugged into it have heard and believe the attacks.
For example, I don’t think AOC could get elected for anything other than her current district or maybe Senate. She might even hurt a ticket as a VP pick. She might be good on a cabinet, but that’s not elected, and that’s probably the end of her political career.
Buttigieg has been doing the work of getting on right wing media to surgically dismantle attacks and explain how his policy positions benefit everyday Americans, and I think he usually comes off as intelligent and compassionate, not condescending. As with all politicians, I don’t put him on any sort of pedestal, but he’s putting in the work and proving he has effective communication, and that’s an incredibly important skill for a president to have.
Idk. There’s still a little hope in the tank here, and I’ll vote in my primary to try to get somebody who isn’t ass garbage, but I expect something like Newsom v Youngkin/Vance if trump isn’t still alive and cancelling elections to cling onto power.
Is Buttigieg not a neoliberal?? As I recall, neoliberalism is characterized by austerity, de-regulation, tax cuts, and privatization.
He certainly seemed pro-austerity and pro-privatization back in 2019-2020 with his milquetoast “Medicare for All Who Want It” talk. And he is from McKinsey after all.
Yep, that’s more or less why I said I don’t put him on a pedestal. But as DOT secretary, he recognized the need for collecting tax dollars and using them effectively, plus things like the East Palestine, Ohio train derailment resulted in him directly, loudly, publicly raising awareness to the need to regulate these essential industries and sectors more stringently to prevent future disasters.
I think he’s learned a lot in the past 5 years. I’m open to people having the ability to learn and grow if they’re showing actual evidence of it, and he is imo. I can’t hold his McKinsey roots against him forever. I worked at Walmart for a few months nearly 20 years ago, and that has very little to do with who I am now.
Welp, that’s certainly a whole bunch of opinions…
Yep, it certainly was.
Who are you hoping will be the progressive Democrat that runs in 28 that proves that neoliberal policies are just a thing of the past?
It just seemed like overconfidence to proclaim any sense of achievement in that arena without yet achieving anything or even naming names. I want you to be right, but fascism is very much on the rise and the opposition party isn’t doing much to signal any real opposition aside from leaving Texas to withhold quorum for the absurd redistricting vote and I guess not blocking Mamdani from winning the NY mayoral primary.
Just feels a little like Bush’s premature Mission Accomplished banner 20 years before giving up and pulling out of the conflict.
Tell me who the fastest to run a hypothetical obstacle course that I haven’t built yet…
Getting neoliberals out of the DNC leadership was building the course, that was the hard part and something I’ve wanted for 30 years even tho I was a kid when I started.
That is an absolutely huge win, and it happened about 7 months ago
So fuck yeah, I’m gonna celebrate, I’m gonna be optimistic.
If you don’t understand what we did, you’ll keep thinking there’s no reason to be optimistic.
But if you wait for billionaire media to talk about it in a realistic light, they won’t.
Because billionaires lost the party and they don’t want anyone to notice so they can take it back.
I’m not gonna stop being proud of what we did because people haven’t noticed.
My bad, I didn’t know anything had changed recently with the DNC. Idk anything about the new people, but I imagine it must be a good start if you’re so excited about it and since the changes all happened pretty much immediately after losing 2024.
Alright, my hope tank just got up to like halfway lol.
Ken Martin is the new chair, and he was chair of Minnesota for the last decade.
It’s not that he’s a progressive, it’s that he has zero bias in the primary and doesn’t think a party should meddle.
That’s why Minnesota went from purple to solid blue. Where some of the most progressive House members can get elected, and a guy like Walz could be Governor.
Him getting the keys to the DNC is just ridiculously huge for 99.99% of us, it’s just the other 0.01% control what gets said in the media, and they want us ignorant
So they could take the opportunity and release the shit and look like the good guys “oh look, we have nothing to hide”…. Instead, they continue with the “whataboutism”, which has only made them look more guilty… they have literally handled it in the worst case possible.
You really think the next presidential election will be fair? They’re already cheating in the midterms!
Is the “they” Republicans?
We’ll fight that fight in the general, state by state because the states run general elections.
What’s been the problem of the Dem party, is they were rigging primaries so the general doesn’t matter.
We can get a popular Dem to the general in 2028, some people that vote in that election might not have ever seen that in their life time. A shit ton haven’t been able to vote in a general where the Dem candidate was actually popular.
I think red states that have the numbers to try and cheat in a general. Were already giving all their electoral colleges votes to Republicans anyway.
Isn’t Newsom the front runner with Harris ranking high? We haven’t learned shit.
This far out it’s 100% about name recognition.