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Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetsk
North Korean military engineers have been deployed to help Russia target Ukraine with ballistic missiles, and North Koreans operating in occupied areas of Ukraine have already been killed, senior officials in Kyiv and Seoul said.
There are dozens of North Koreans behind Russian lines, in teams that “support launcher systems for KN-23 missiles”, a source in Ukraine told the Guardian.
Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, last year travelled to Russia for a summit with Vladimir Putin where the two men bolstered their deepening ties with a secret arms deal.
Pyongyang’s ammunition shipments were vital in allowing Russian forces to advance in a grinding war of attrition in eastern Ukraine this summer. But it appears increasingly clear that the agreement went beyond supplying materiel.
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Imagine being an educated Russian 45 year old conscript fighting next to malnourished north koreans.
Are we assuming the Russian conscript has a higher degree of education than the north Korean?
They’re both totalitarian shitholes shoving their own version of lies down their citizens throats.
There are FAR, FAR more well educated Russians than there are North Koreans, let alone Educated North Koreans.
There were reports of Russian soldiers in Ukraine not knowing what an “Automatic Toilet” was. They’re grabbing people from so far in the boonies, that they bring in buckets of water to flush their toilets. That also means that either Russian barracks don’t have toilets or they’re shipping their forces to the front lines without any training.
Wtf is an “automatic toilet?” And how is that a bar for someone’s intelligence?
He means they only know how to shit in a hole in the ground. That kind of poverty tends to not go hand in hand with the top educational institutions.
From how understand it, they have toilets in the sticks, but they don’t automatically fill themselves. They have a bucket of water that they pour into the toilet to flush it. It’s also not so much that they don’t have automatic toilets, but that they didn’t even know they exist. The poor, wilderness communities that Putin is pulling from are that isolated from the rest of the word. The American equivalent would be the Appalachian people.
Here’s a clip of Zelenskyy referencing the toilet situation.
There are places that just have this too:
That makes a lot more sense thank you
Yes but I doubt they are getting sent to Ukraine. The ethnic minority regions that Russia keeps dirt poor are sent 70:1 in some cases compared to recruits from Moscow. And I’d bet it’s a big ratio also between the well educated and poorly educated in Moscow too.
North Korea has a pretty good IT program
They deal with malware while Russia deals with social media campaigns
They are worlds apart yes. Russia actually has an amazing academia network that is suffering greatly from Putins politics. Most recently seen by hundreds of academics having to stop their collaboration with CERN because of the war. Compared to NK, Russia is just a normal country with lots of IT and science nerds.
However if you look at the US and their rural MAGA population, it shows that there can just be a massive rift within the population. And thats what you have in Russia too i would assume.
Much of the respect we have for Russian education goes back to the excellent STEM education they had in the Soviet days. This has largely been eroded away in modern times, and much of the technology and infrastructure they have are being held together by Soviet educated older folks.
I would assume that considering Russians actually have internet.
I’m also going to assume the Russian soldiers are atleast 6 inches taller on average since South Korean soldiers are that much taller than North Korean soldiers.
This isn’t new, there have been north Korean work camps in inside of Russia for decades. It’s convict leasing on a troubling international level.
We’ve had Russians, North Koreans, and Indians fighting in Ukraine with Chinese supplied weapons against Ukrainians armed with American, Polish, German, British, and other European weapons in a war that’s been going on for nearly two years.
Can we call it a World War yet?
Or are we just going to refuse to use the word until nukes are dropped?
We can also throw in the Middle Eastern theater for good measure too if that’s not enough.
Seems to me that it’s just part of the proxy war that the world powers have been fighting pretty much constantly in an Oceania/Eurasia/Eastasia kind of way since 1945.
Orwellian comparison hits here
I’d say the situation is a lot closer to the Spanish Civil War, tbh. A lot of countries sent expeditionary forces and volunteers to assist one side or the other, including Russia and Nazi Germany (who kinda used the conflict as a proving ground for the concept of combined arms doctrine we know as “blitzkrieg”).
The comparison certainly makes sense. Awesome, that means we’re just a few years shy of a world war.
Yeah but just think 40 years later we’re gonna get some sick movies and video games
If you make it through the likely multiple genocides and conscriptions.
360 noscoping russians as a wallrunning Ukrainian super soldier.
Syria was WW3’s Spanish civil war.
Not until there are NATO boots on the ground, or NATO recognizes it is at war. Russia is already saying it is, NATO just didn’t get the memo yet I guess.
You are right in saying Russia kinda made it a world war. I guess with just the one front it just doesn’t feel like it.
It could be pretty easily argued that Gaza/Lebanon is another front. Iran/Russia/China axis seems to be solidifying to an extent, imo.
Israel did just bomb a Russian airbase in Syria, after all.
Edit: guess I didn’t say “Israel is bad” enough in my comment? Seriously, I didn’t even make any value judgments in this comment, y’all are too touchy.
Yeah, the lack of boots on the ground is an important loophole. It’s just arms sales.
Indians fighting in Ukraine? I thought most of those were tricked into helping the Russian military though…
But it isn’t a world war. The only ones in conflict are Russia and Ukraine. You wouldn’t say that the US was fighting Nazi Germany when they booted up the lend-lease. The rest of the countries supplying Ukraine with arms are just doing so under international law, not as participants in the war.
Multiple boots on the ground on the Russia side, only takes boots on the ground from any nato country to qualify now. It’s very close.
World war isn’t about how many countries are involved, but the scale of the conflict.
We didn’t call the cold war a world war and that wasn’t in a single country
Best comparison.
I think, its time to get even with them. Just deploy some NATO member Staates troops to Ukraine. I guess Putin wont be complaining too much about it
Not enough of the right color people have died yet.
Yet it is absolutely imperative french troops stray far away 🤡
I find it interesting that the loaned DPRK are operating ballistic missile platforms. Makes me wonder if part of the intention is to skill up some of the army units with combat launching exp, which is not the happiest thought, since NK has a continental US capable truck-launched ICBM since 2017.
Of course the plan doesn’t work if they all get killed by Ukrainian drone attacks, but NK has never been too precious about their rank and file anyway.
These are comparatively safer positions.
Yeah sounds like logistics support?
Maybe that, maybe with more direct involvement in the warfare. I just see it’s unlikely they’d use people of NK in the deathliest skirmishes while depending on their supplies. Not to say that there is a huge language barrier and a racism problem them making me believe there are probably whole north korean units in some places rather than them being evenly spread across different divisions.
It’s going to be hilarious when Russia N. Korea and china have to pull there entire economy together to fight this one little nation and Ukraine ends up marching on every single capital.
That sounds like an epic session of Civ V.
Hilarious? It would be literally fantastic.
Their
Jeebus, something is seriously wrong if you have to ask north Korea for help. 😬
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/15/vladimir-putin-kim-jong-un-summit-russia-north-korea-meeting-five-things
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/10/north-korea-engineers-deployed-russia-ukraineUkraine gets help from its allies: I sleep
Russia gets help from its allies: 😡😡
The cognitive dissonance of Lemmy users.
This you? Immediate block. Shame on you for supporting a mass murdering, civilian butchering, raping, children bombing, war regime.
It’s okay to be proud of Russian culture and celebrate heritage. It’s not okay to support a war of conquests where children are stolen and civilians are slaughtered.
Shame on you for supporting a mass murdering, civilian butchering, raping, children bombing, war regime.
Please stick to the topic instead of bringing up Kamala Harris.
Someone who has a different opinion that mine! Immediately blocked!
My echo chamber is almost… ready!! 🤗
Calling it a “different opinion” is an attempt to shut down any criticism of your disgusting lack of humanity. It’s like when Republicans call being a racist, xenophobic piece of shit a “different opinion”.
Don’t bother replying, I’m not making this comment to try to convince you. I’m saying this to point out the tactic to anyone else who may be reading this.
You can see me criticizing Russia in the same comment thread; I believe that Russia is committing war crimes that I do not support but Ukraine is siding with states which are committing whatever Russia is committing with impunity
there goes my support for Ukraine
The commenter I replied to didn‘t even have a conversation with me.
Also both republicans and democrats are racist, xenophobic, sexist, genocidal maniacs. Don‘t compare me to North Americans.
You’re… Aware that Russia invaded Ukraine, right? And all of this bloodshed, all of these senselessly sacrificed lives, could’ve been avoided if Russia just DIDN’T invade Ukraine?
I don’t see that happening, but people aren’t going to be supporting Russia (or shouldn’t) since they’re the enemy in all this
The enemy according to who?
The western allies, western international law, UN, etc has showed us all last year that words like enemy, terrorist, ally is all relative.
Israel occupies Palestine since 1948, and the western allies support it ever since, till this very day. And they also support a genocide in Gaza, Gaza being under siege, collective punishment, arming genocidal terrorists (IDF), arming illegal settlers in the West Bank.
These same allies are supporting Ukraine. Now let‘s deduct who‘s the enemy in this formula.
They picked the fight and didn’t need to. That makes them the bad guy.
The enemy according to who?
The western allies, western international law, UN, etc has showed us all last year that words like enemy, terrorist, ally is all relative.
Israel occupies Palestine since 1948, and the western allies support it ever since, till this very day. And they also support a genocide in Gaza, Gaza being under siege, collective punishment, arming genocidal terrorists (IDF), arming illegal settlers in the West Bank.
These same allies are supporting Ukraine. Now let‘s deduct who‘s the enemy in this formula.
Oh, I got this. The “enemy” is the one who invaded the sovereign nation of Ukraine without provocation. Good job finding an entirely new topic to talk about. Distract. Good tactic.
Also. I want to inform you of an analogy. But if my friend is funding killing of other people but is actively supporting me then I‘ll question the friendship.
But people like you would say that killing other people is a distraction as long as I have a good supportive friend!
But hey, that‘s me! xD
It‘s connected. Unless you see the suffering of white people the only important thing and everything is a distraction.
We can talk about how Russia is actively killing Syrians in Syria and aiding the Assad regime. But Russia isn‘t a country to claim its position of „human rights but only for white people“ like Germany, France, USA, etc.
Ukraine doesn’t belong to the EU, is not a member of NATO. Why all this aid? The EU is sunk into one of highest inflation in its history to support a foreign nation. Ukrainian refugees are treated way better than non-white refugees in central and western Europe.
That’s an interesting point, and human rights are certainly into question, but I’d ask when the last time Germany, France, USA, etc, declared war and invaded a sovereign nation.
you including the USA is funny like USA invaded multiple sovereign countries on baseless reasons… with impunity (because of their immunity to international law).
They invaded Afghanistan to replace the Taliban… with the Taliban. They killed 1.5+ million Iraqis when they accused Iraq to have weapons of mass destruction that didn‘t exist. The american army tortured Iraqi citizens in Abu Ghraib prisons in documented ways against international law… with impunity. This is in 2000-2004. Only 2 decades ago.
And let‘s not get started with how proxies are now doing their dirty work for them. The american proxy Israel invaded sovereign nation Lebanon a couple of days ago. How much money did the USA send Israel in weapons last year alone?
Does Russia fund proxies? Sure. Does Russia claim to be the beacon of human rights? Not that I know of.
But it‘s Russia that needs to be sanctioned, banned from sporting events, be called my enemy etc and the USA runs free from bombing Libya a couple of years ago.
But Libyans, Iraqis, Afghanis and Lebanese are unfortunately not… human. They‘re muslims! Terrorists! Kill them all!
And Ukrainians are white! Sklava Ukraini!! 🇺🇦
Oh, absolutely. The USA’s war(s) in Afghanistan and their role in the middle east are abhorant and unforgivable. Just like their roles in destabilizing South America, etc.
And Russia should also be sanctioned, banned, etc. for attacking Ukraine. Just like they should’ve for Crimea.
The US and EU not supporting human rights across the board does not make supporting Ukraine the wrong decision
Yea that’s how invasions work.
Ukraine:
Russia: invades Ukraine, committing war crimes on a daily basis.
I don’t think you’re eligible to judge anyone’s cognitive abilities.
LMAO!!
We’ve picked a side obviously. Why would we root for the bully?
Okay, we get to send American troops into the fight then, not just training 3,000 miles away, or sending ammunition. Actually into the fight. Russia will have nothing to complain about when 3rd ID HIMARS three minefield belts and thunder runs the Russian regional command and logistics bases.
American soldiers are almost always on foreign soil.
Lmao. Look at those goal posts move! That’s a new land speed record!
