Summary

Vladimir Putin responded to Ukraine’s US-backed ceasefire proposal by imposing strict conditions, including a halt to Kyiv’s military aid and mobilization, while continuing Russia’s own rearmament.

His calculated stance prolongs negotiations without outright rejecting Donald Trump’s initiative, which seeks to end the war while pressuring Ukraine.

Putin also demands Ukraine’s demilitarization, exclusion from NATO, and recognition of Russian territorial claims.

Trump, with limited leverage, may shift toward aligning with Putin’s terms. Meanwhile, Ukraine fears the ceasefire could allow Russia to regroup and intensify its offensive.

  • NoiseColor
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    -342 days ago

    Trump doesn’t care, but on the other hand I really don’t think he is a Russian asset.

    Russia is playing their negotiating well. They have projected strength and total commitment to their claimed goals. They were able to do it, because of the diplomatic blunders by the Trump administration. Until now US have not said anything about Russian concessions. They were mentioned, but nothing specific.

    On the other side, the Ukrainians will never accept anything close to what the Russians want. Even if America tries to force the conditions on them, they will still have some support from Europe.

    Trump wants this. I mean, let’s get serious, if he does it, he could legitimately expect the Nobel prize. I’m not even joking, if he does, he would be an idiot savant of peacemaking. It’s highly unlikely though, but what is his way out?

      • NoiseColor
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        119 minutes ago

        Maybe it could be, if EU countries actually start up the military production as so many leaders are promising.

    • @Docus@lemmy.world
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      242 days ago

      Trump does not have the cards to force a peace deal, or the skills to negotiate one. Ukraine and Putin are simply too far apart to meet in the middle.

      • @MrNesser@lemmy.world
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        31 day ago

        I’m convinced Trump is chasing the nobel peace prize because Obama has one and he’s still butt hurt over it.

        • NoiseColor
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          32 days ago

          Thats completely naive. Reality doesn’t work like memes. People are dying, lives are being destroyed.

        • @cool@lemmings.world
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          -82 days ago

          Ukraine doesn’t have much a choice because they’re losing the war.

          Part of losing a war is making concessions with the victor. Sorry you’ve been so propagandized to believe that it’s impossible for Ukraine to lose.

          • NoiseColor
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            14 minutes ago

            I’m sorry, but saying that everyone else who doesn’t agree with you is propagandized is at least lazy if not childish and trolling behavior.

            Ukraine is still in it, they are holding of the invading army, which has in the last year only managed to occupy less than a percent of Ukraine and even that has largely stopped. At this rate, if Russia could keep it up, they couldn’t achieve their claimed goals for decades. And there are all the reasons to claim they won’t be able to keep it up.

            There is no sense to give to Russia concessions, the Russians cannot take by force. Usually it’s the other way around.

          • Dzso
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            92 days ago

            The war is still being fought. No one has won.

      • NoiseColor
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        42 days ago

        Definitely not skills. But both sides in the war want to have a strong start to the negotiation. Ukraine might give up Crimea officially for NATO membership. Russia will do anything that will look like they won.

          • NoiseColor
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            121 minutes ago

            Its the start of the negotiation, everyone will take positions, but might change them. I don’t think Nato is really an option, but they might avoid this and make individual 2 party agreements between Ukraine and Nato countries that would serve as a sort of replacement for actually admitting Ukraine to Nato.

      • @cool@lemmings.world
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        -92 days ago

        I disagree. Ukraine is currently getting routed and they will announce their surrender this year if the US continues to withhold support.

        The thing about war is that each death makes it harder to fight back. That results in more deaths, which makes it even harder, and hopefully you get the idea if you’re not a useful idiot (sorry this last part needs to be said, but there’s a lot of useful idiots running around these days.)

        • @bigschnitz@lemmy.world
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          62 days ago

          A country can be losing but in an existential conflict seem to rarely outright surrender. Ukraines position, while dire, is far stronger than the talibans after the US invasion of Iraq. 20 years later, they were still fighting and ultimately prevailed.

          In my mind, this Inevitably is in ukraines future if allies don’t continue to materially support Ukraine - either way the Russian occupation ultimately fails, the question is does Ukraine defend itself and remain a sovereign nation or do they fall and an insurgency later force it’s reinstatement.

          • @alkbch@lemmy.ml
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            -14 hours ago

            The difference is Iraqi did not want to be under US occupation where large parts of Crimea and the Eastern regions do want to be independent / under Russian influence.

      • @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
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        -82 days ago

        It is not about Trumps skills. My guess is that there might have been a deal, if Trump didn’t get in the way of his advisors by posting on social media and going off script in interviews