- Former President Donald Trump said that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s proposal to remove fluoride from the U.S. water systems “sounds okay” to him.
- Kennedy, who is poised to play a health policy role in a potential Trump administration, recently wrote, “The Trump White House will advise all U.S. water systems to remove fluoride from public water.”
- According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, “the safety and benefits of fluoride are well documented and have been reviewed comprehensively by several scientific and public health organizations.”
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9542152/
I’ll take the:
…over your:
This is a good take, I liken it to iodine in salt.
However, I worry about the effects of fluoride in groundwater. I don’t know if I should be too concerned about that per se, but I hear some plants hate it and that and it says in the ground for like forever.
You have anything says that ingesting or actually helps? That’s the part I find kinda weird, and that quote doesn’t address that specific issue. Using it on the surface of your teeth is shown to be helpful, I get that; but drinking it is a whole different ballgame… Besides, I thought the fluoride in the toothpaste was the reason you’re not supposed to swallow?
Casually states without evidence that fluoride was only introduced to keep people docile, then demands citations on rebuttals. Looks like we got ourselves a full blown case of the MAGA.
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Are you so singularly interested in proving you are right that you don’t bother to read or try to genuinely comprehend what other people write when they are calling you out for your bad behaviour?
The source you posted doesn’t mention anything to support your statement about fluoride originally being used to test if it could keep the working class docile. The fact remains that you are asking others to source themselves despite being unwilling, unable, or disinterested in doing so yourself.
Still I am glad you’re voting for Harris 🙂
Dude. I told you I had no source for that. The training at your troll farm sucks; get a better job.
That’s exactly my fucking point.
Umm, no - that was my point. Your reply had no point, other than complaining that I freely admitted to not finding a source. A point implies furthering the discussion. So, you got a point?
You can always use examine.com to start base level research on most substances. It tries to cover the most common questions and link the research papers most relevant to that question if available. Excerpt below, but I recommend scrolling through the whole page. It also discusses maximum safe daily levels, toxic levels, and symptoms when you exceed those levels.
Fluoride, when swallowed, can be distributed throughout the body, which includes being in the saliva that covers the teeth. Nevertheless, fluoridated water has been shown with more than enough evidence to improve the quality of teeth in humans compared to its risks (if any) and removing it in water will reduce those benefits.
I’ll go ahead and press x to doubt. First, no, it absolutely will not go everywhere in your body. Chemistry/biology doesn’t work like that. Second, the amount of fluoride you’d have to ingest to still have an effective amount in your saliva would be well past the safe limit (by the way, only poisons need to have a safe limit; aka fluoride is not good for you). Finally, it’s in our toothpaste, we don’t actually need any more than that.
Putting it in our water has no benefits. Really. But you do you, man.
Good old poisonous water, since water itself has a safe limit, ld50’s exist for pretty much everything
So, umm, I don’t need to explain why your rebuttal is crap, do I? Cause…weak. just weak
That’s a fair question. I Googled around and arrived at a couple different gov health websites (National Institutes of Health, Cleveland Clinic) which mention that, while high levels of fluoride can be harmful, the amount put into the US drinking supply doesn’t approach that threshold.
The reason why you’re being downvoted is because you’ve provided some outlandish claims without any source.
I honestly remember my parent’s talking about these exact things in the 80s. It’s absurd to claim that in the interceding decades no reputable science has supported these claims.
Science is sometimes wrong, and from time to time we have to improve our understanding of things, but great claims require great evidence.
Nah. That’s not it at all. I said those idiots were right about something, and y’all lost your minds!
But, seriously, the only “outlandish” claim I made had to do with using fluoride to keep people docile. And, to be frank, there is nothing outlandish at all about the idea that the ruling class would do something like that. Hell, the United States government has done so many things that are so much worse.
And I don’t actually care. If I ever start worrying about what people say about me online, I’m going bear hunting. Naked and unarmed.
You don’t care so much you deleted your post, very cool
I’m not suggesting that you care about down votes, but you seem to think the down votes imply people are angry or have “lost their minds” whatever that means.
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… but I found a blog post saying the earth is flat, and it had very thorough citations.
Bold claims require irrefutable evidence.
The weight of evidence in support of fluoridation is overwhelming. It’s the greatest public health intervention in the history of human kind.
If you want to say it makes people docile then you need large double blinded peer reviewed longitudinal studies supporting that claim. If you don’t have that then you’re going to get downvotes because you’re just parroting nonsense.
What company pays you? Because it was the tin mining industry that launched the public fluoridation campaign in the US using no actual evidence to support oral health ingestion. China’s population does not fluoridated water but has better dental health outcomes than the US.
Not to mention you think fluoridation is more important than fucking vaccines or condoms?
Yup. There is overwhelming evidence, and that’s why the vast majority of the world due not do it.
If you want to claim evidence is overwhelming, she me the proof. Not a simple fucking comparison of arbitrary data. I believe you set the bar at “you need large double blinded peer reviewed longitudinal studies”. Counting the occurrence of something before and after some other things changed…is not that. So where is it?
(And are you fucking for real on your stupid “flat earth” bullshit? They’ll provide same quality and number of citations as you morons do.)
Or don’t. Just go on getting all evangelical about what you’ve been told is true. What the fuck ever…
Edit: holy shit, you dumb shits are going into my profile and downvoting random unrelated shit. Fucking weak guys. Now I know that you all know you’re doing as fuck.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512301719X
Well, you actually begin with a good example of another outlandish claim. They are right? I don’t suppose you can back that up? If not, that’s just an unbacked claim. Outlandish, of course, is subjective, but I’d say it sure is just that.
The one you claim is outlandish, is, indeed, outlandish. I agree with your point that this is what the ruling class would do, if we remove this thought experiment from any context and real-life bounds. They 100% would. If they knew they’d get away with it.
I don’t believe they would, in reality, though, get away with it.
So while that point is logical in a detached sense, it still is as outlandish as everything else.
Edit: What’s up with this .ee instance by the way? Has anyone else noticed that a lot of commenters and comments like this happen to be from there? Contrarians, completely weird takes, oddly common “I’m a leftist, BUT…” comments, and a lot of third party voters and enthusiasts. I’ve noted it earlier but this finally made it hit. Does anyone know some context that they’d have time and energy to share?
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Coward can’t admit he was wrong
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Good, glad you were able to bring yourself to admit it.
Have a good one!
Good bait
Lol, no. Even if that were my intention, two replies? And some knee jerk downvotes? What kinda troll is gonna feed themselves on such a small amount of controversy?
We have quite the hive mind going in the thread, though!
Because you came out with baseless conjecture which was debunked decades ago which you could have educated yourself about at any time, hiding behind “may” and whatever other nonsense you thought would make you sound reasonable.
Oh really? Quote me a source that says ingesting fluoride is beneficial.
And take your ad hominem crap somewhere else. 🙄
Edit: If you want to discuss this further, find someone else. Let’s just say you won’t be getting any further replies from me…ever.
Where’s your source?
https://www.ada.org/resources/community-initiatives/fluoride-in-water
Not hard. Take your nonsense elsewhere instead of pulling that.
You made a claim without any backing evidence. If people keep telling you to fuck off and you keep wondering why, well here’s someone telling you why.
Meanwhile, in communities where fluoride has already been removed from the water…
-Richard Feynman
Not, communities; one community. And that study looks shady as hell, not gonna lie. For instance, so far I see no discussion regarding any other things that could’ve influenced the results. Like, I’m really not impressed by the methodology they used. At all.
Very rude of that community to not conform to what you wanted them to do instead of just experiencing the effects of unfluoridated tap water, smh.
If you’re going to nitpick their methodology I’m sure you won’t mind sharing your own published studies on the matter, right? TIA.
Eh, this was fun, but I’m getting bored. 😉 I’m kidding. However, that’s less a study and more a statistical analysis. One that failed to correct for any known issues that might cause unexpected results. I did find an interesting link earlier, I might try checking some of their sources. If I find anything interesting, well… I’ll have forgotten about this, so maybe I’ll update, maybe not! 😝
I’ve always heard ingesting flouride makes developing teeth stronger, and does nothing for adults. Found a review of studies: https://www.cochrane.org/CD010856/ORAL_does-adding-fluoride-water-supplies-prevent-tooth-decay
I’ll check that out, thanks. I think the allegation I heard was that it quickens osteoporosis, so this was a cumulative lifetime effect I think. But can’t figure where I heard it anyway, I might be wrong.