For the first time in 22 years, two German warships will sail through the Taiwan Strait, a move likely to provoke Beijing. Germany joins other Western nations in asserting freedom of navigation in the region amid Chinaās territorial claims over Taiwan
Iād rather my country not get involved in these superficial platitudes as long as they keep funding aggression in other parts of the globe. If they didnāt fund such aggressions, then I wouldnāt mind, but as of now, it only looks like pathetic virtue signalling to me.
āFunding aggressionā. Lol. No wonder Germany got fucked in the ass by Russia and China so many times with such bootlickers among the voting population.
Bootlickers for what? Iām talking about Germany funding Israel to commit its genocides in the Middle East. Youāre the one licking boots if you still have the zionist boot down your throat. Also, itās quite telling that you see nazi germany getting āfucked in the assā by Russia as something bad.
Iām more with you regarding Israel. However, the context here is China, not Israel.
Wtf. You know itās 2024, right? Nazi Germany is no more (unless AfD and consorts form the new government).
I was not talking about WW2-times.
Germany got fucked āin the assā because of capitalist greed, not because of āpeople like meā. If it was up to me our industries wouldāve never left the country in the first place, and most of the privatizations wouldnāt have gone through. Corporate greed wouldāve been stopped, and foreign companies that donāt have the interest of the people wouldāve been nationalized a long time ago. But thatās not the reality. Besides that, thereās plenty of nazi like rhetoric going around nowadays. Green politicians talking about āthe poison of Islamā [1], which reminds me a lot of the antisemitic rhetoric from WW2 (see āDer Giftpilzā [2], talking about jewish people as āthe poisonous mushroomā). Besides that, Germany didnāt denazify properly after WW2 anyway (āPersilscheineā, proper card carrying nazis in the first democratically elected government, and so on). The chancellor talking about ādeportations in big styleā. The CDU trying to ban refugees from going to any public events. And these are not even the nazis in the AfD. It might be 2024, but mentalities havenāt changed much, weāre just picking other out groups to stomp on, mostly because weāre not tackling the real issues at heart.
But again, to get back on China, Germany is very well conducting major business with a ton of authoritarian countries, stomping on workersā rights all across the world just to enrich German companies, and thus I wonāt take their virtue signalling for anything more than just virtue signalling. They can talk about āfeminist foreign policyā as much as they like while increasing business with Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, and now even working with the Taliban. They can talk about green policy as much as they like, while funding lithium extraction mines against the will of the people in Serbia. They can talk as much as they like about democracy, while empowering cops to break limbs and beat the shit out of protesters at peaceful pro Palestinian demonstrations. They can talk about humanity as much as they like, while funding a genocide in Gaza and an illegal occupation in the West Bank. And I havenāt even voiced an opinion on these policies, Iām here just pointing out the hypocrisy. If they care so much about Taiwan, they should at least make it clear that it is due to geostrategic interests, not because they suddenly found their love for democracy and what not other nonsense.
[1] https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2024/gruenen-politikerin-warnt-vor-dem-gift-des-islams/
[2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Giftpilz
Alright, I see it the same way. Still, Germany managed to manoeuvre itself into dependencies of Russia and China, which has shot and still shoots them into the feet.
Iām totally in favour of trying to find diplomatic ways. But if the call to the talking table is not followed and rather met with aggression on multiple levels, itās usually the wrong way to give into the demands of the ones who are not afraid to use violence. Therefore, what you see as āfunding aggressionā is to me a display of resistance. It shows that we will not be bullied into submission, nor will we allow those who use violence to dictate the terms of peace or cooperation.
Iāve read the article and watched the speech of Katharina Drƶge afterwards to get a grasp of the context. As Iāve suspected, the article of the far-right magazine āJunge Freiheitā over-emphasized the āGift des Islamsā part of her speech. Itās just typical click- & ragebait again and a very misleading headline. At least the article itself somehow manages to not completeley misrepresent her actual speech.
If youāre interested, you can currently watch it here: https://www.ardmediathek.de/video/phoenix-parlament/katharina-droege-in-der-generaldebatte/phoenix/Y3JpZDovL3Bob2VuaXguZGUvNDU4NjA2Mg
Youāll probably notice as well that this was a rather minor phrasing. More importantly, it was embedded in and directed towards islamism, i.e., people radicalized to the point of becoming murderous, which has to be prevented of course. In the same speech she is emphasizing the importance of asylum for all of those who have suffered the worst and donāt become radicalized criminals.
Given this context and the fact that the German Greens are usually considered a rather left-leaning political party, I find the comparison to āDer Giftpilzā not only vastly misplaced but also ridiculous.
Thanks for pointing out the āPersilscheineā. Despite the tremendous amount of āNazis evilā-content in school, especially in history classes, this wasnāt a topic. An educational gap Iām eager to fill soon.
Regarding the statement of unproper denazification I canāt add anything to that besides personal impressions which have no value for general statements.
Yes, yes. This is indeed really bad. From my point of view the big old parties SPD, CDU/CSU are fearing for their public support. And instead of trying to address the real issues, theyāre mimicking talking points of the AfD. The latter, unfortunately, becoming increasingly popular in many areas of Germany.
I wonder why that is.
No, I donāt.
(Okay, people being too incompetent to critically think about media adds to that.)
However, I wouldnāt go as far as to say, that the mentalities havenāt changed much in all that time since WW2. Three generations were raised since then with the fourth one reaching maturity. And there is still a tremendous amount of people who are not sharing the same xenophobic idiotism propagated by AfD, CDU & Co. Itās not too late to prevent the mistakes of the past.
Iām also not really happy about that. Itās one devil replaced by the other. However, there are different shades to that. At least the one devils have not launched a full-scale war. And now Germans have started to question their dependencies on foreign countries a bit more. But of course it canāt be a long-term solution to keep things as they are now.
Iāll take virtue signalling. āItās somethingā. Besides, the current government is the most productive since the Merkel-era and has initiated and achieved many good things. Although I agree that regarding foreign affairs it could be better. Most progress was achieved in domestic affairs.
And people love hypocrits. If someone says the one thing, but does the opposite, does it make them wrong in what they said?
How about we criticise the bad and praise the good?
Persilscheine are barely scratching the surface. Theyāre honestly the āparadebeispielā of failed German denazification. Germany had full on SA NSDAP members in government in its first government after WW2. I invite you to read more on Theodor OberlƤnder. Actually, I invite you to read more on everyone involved in German politics up until the 80s, especially German diplomats. Most of them have some very, very disturbing skeletons in their closets, the people we praise as the founders of German democracy nowadays.
I have voted for the greens. I will never vote for them ever again. Iām tired of the bullshit theyāve been spewing, especially lately. I voted for a progressive agenda, not for our foreign minister to lie about Palestinian deaths, and her goons downplaying it. Iām tired of her virtue signalling and her āāāfeministāāā foreign policy on which she very, very selectively delivers. Iām tired of our minister of education and research trying to cut funding to scientists criticizing police violence on campuses, actively trying to suppress them. Iām tired of our chancellor talking about mass deportations. These are things a German should absolutely never do, let alone so called progressive ones. I havenāt voted for AfD light, and I surely havenāt voted for them to normalize far-right ideas.