He doesn’t need to. The project 2025 christian nationalists are doing the thinking for him.

Yeah, being founded to fight off a genocidal occupation absolves one of all wrong. I’ve already been made aware of that.

Yeah, it’s not enough to call Israel genocidal fascists, have to agree with the hive mind or its IDF astroturfing.

It’s funny, I came here in part because the zionist hive mind of Reddit was disgusting.

And all I’m finding here is a tankie hive mind.

Extremists on both sides, nuance not allowed.

Nitpicking is not an argument, it’s hasbara.

No, nitpicking is how you arrive at the truth. And the truth is that Israel are genocidal aggressors. But the truth is also that Hezbollah are aggressors.

Calling any criticism of Israel’s enemies “Hasbara” is the exact same bullshit as Israel calling criticism “Antisemitism”. Different side of the same shit coin.

And the articles accompanying this graph clearly contradict it, while the graph itself provides no sources. A graph itself is not a source.

literally the next fucking paragraph in my comment.

yeah, quote from that link

Since October 8, when Lebanon’s Hezbollah launched attacks on Israel in solidarity with the Palestinian people

Why would 58% of Lebanese would support Hezbollah maintaining it’s arm other than to be used against the Israeli threat?

Oh fucking stop it. Threat against Lebanon specifically. A retaliation against Hamas, even if completely disproportionate and genocidal is not a threat against Lebanon.

Israel want to create a greater Israel which include Lebanon.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The complete Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon kinda works against that claim.

Hezbollah rocket was thrown on Shaba farms, Lebanese occupied land

Not according to the UN?

Not to mention Israel constantly breach the resolution 1701 yearly

Unlike Hezbollah?

waiting for Palestine to be completely destroyed then wait for Israel to occupy and colonize Lebanon again.

Extraordinary claims again

If you think Hezbollah is dragging Lebanon into the fight without consent, then France dragged themselves into the war by signing a mutual defense alliance with Poland

Unlike the French government, Hezbollah didn’t have the representative authority to do so. Doing it without such an authority is in itself a form if aggression (against the people of Lebanon, not against Israel)

Linked article disagrees with the info graphic, info graphic does not provide sources. What’s your justification of choosing the info graphic over the linked article?

58% to 64% of the Lebanese population opposing Hezbollah’s immediate disarmament

Opposing Hezbollah’s immediate disarmament is not equivalent to consent to enter the war of Israel against Palestine.

You don’t seem to understand the difference between colonialism and occupation either.

Just rolling with how loosely you seemingly use the term. Israel may be colonialists in general, but in the specific context of Israel vs Hezbollah they are clearly not.

I was talking during WW2 against the axis not after Germany surrendered.

Yeah, conveniently leaving out one of the greatest examples of a resistance fighting force becoming the occupying colonialists?

I love how you also ignore France and Britain

What about France and Britain?

France did not wait for Germany to start aggressing it to declare and attacking war on the Nazis

The French government being the democratically elected government representing the French people and territory signed an alliance with the Polish government. As such Germany’s invasion of Poland was also an aggression against France, not the other way around. There is no such understanding between Palestine and Lebanon. Or Iran and Lebanon.

And sure, you could argue that Hezbollah are allied with the IRGC and Hamas, but Hezbollah is dragging Lebanon into the fight without consent.

Hezbollah, a powerful armed group backed by Iran, said it had launched guided rockets and artillery onto three posts in Shebaa Farms “in solidarity” with the Palestinian people.

That’s what the sources say.

I included all the factions involved .

Yeah, right:

The context of the post is israel vs hizbollah. It that context the only agressor is Israel.

I am sick of hypocrites trying to delegitimize resistance groups and treat them like colonizers.

Hezbollah had the legitimacy of a resistance group until they defeated the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.

Continuing to fight Israel from Lebanese territory without the express consent of the people and the government of Lebanon delegitimizes them as resistance fighters.

And their support of Assad and his Alawite oppression of Syria made them colonizers in their own right.

In the example of WW2 that you brought up, Soviet forces were the resistance fighters against Nazi aggression and colonization right until the point that Germany surrendered. Their refusal to then withdraw made them the aggressors and colonizers in turn. And that is not even to speak of the Baltics, where the Soviets were the original aggressors and colonizers.

Acknowledging the capacity of resistance fighters to become colonizers themselves is not hypocrisy. What is hypocrisy is letting the aggression and colonization of a group slide because they are/were resistance fighters themselves.

The sources show that Israel is an aggressor, which I never disputed.

Even in 2023 Israel was the aggressor. In response to Israel geocoding Palestinians Hezbollah launched rockets on occupied land, Israel went and targeted civilians infrastructures and Lebanese civilians.

Dude, you said Israel is the aggressor when only looking at Israel and Hezbollah and then include Palestine.

So are we looking at only Israel and Hezbollah, or are we looking at Israel, Hezbollah, and other factions? And if so, why are we only including the factions that help your case, instead of all factions involved?

You are treating this as a sports match, it’s fucking not.

The context of the post is israel vs hizbollah. It that context the only agressor is Israel.

that’s complete bullshit.

If you take the timeline starting in 2026, then either Israel and the US are the aggressors and the scope is bigger than just Israel and Hezbollah, or you insist on limiting it to only Israel and Hezbollah but Hezbollah are the aggressors.

If you start from 2023, then again, if you only look at Israel and Hezbollah, then Hezbollah are the aggressors.

If you expand the timeline beyond that you really cannot limit the scope to just those two belligerents, because all the regional conflicts are way too interwoven.

Trying to look for simplistic good vs bad framing might be appealing but is ultimately dishonest.

No amount of hizbollah intimidation of lebanese who hate them will remove their right to resist occupation. We are not in the position to find a perfect resistance groups. The day a more moral resistance group appear I would side with them over Hizbollah.

Never argued against that point.

Your problem is insisting to pick a side.

You can acknowledge Hezbollah’s right to resist without siding with them. This isn’t a fucking sports match. Seriously, wtf?

Hizbollah fought the groups who wanted to oust the butcher Assad not to protect Syrians but to cut weapons from Hizbollah used to fight the genocidal colonial power Israel is.

That’s some serious mental gymnastics

Was the axis and allies equally bad during world war 2 becuase many of the allies countries was colonial powers and was also involved in attrocities?

Why are the only two options “good and bad” or “equally bad”

It’s a false dichotomy.

Both sides can be bad while being differently bad.

And some of the allies in WW2 were definitely bad, especially the Soviet Union, who just replaced one occupying force in Eastern Europe with another.

I said both are aggressors, not both are equally evil.

Hezbollah committed acts of terrorism and political violence and intimidation in Lebanon

Hezbollah was fighting with Assad against the people of Syria and is, if not directly, at the very least indirectly responsible for the countless atrocities of the Assad regime against the people of Syria.

Again, Hezbollah could have chosen to simply fight Israeli aggression and leave it at that and I’d support them, but they didn’t.

‘Both-sides’-ing this makes no sense

You’re correct, ‘both-sides’-ing creates a false dichotomy. There are way more than just those 2 factions in this conflict. And sure, maybe Israel is the worst one, I’m not going to argue either way. But Hezbollah is pretty high up on the asshole ranking.

Again, Hezbollah only exists because of massacres like Sabra and Shatila, along with the other massacres utilizing the Dahiya doctrine during the 6 Israeli invasions

Can you quote the part where I disputed the fact that Hezbollah exists because of Israeli aggression, occupation, and terrorism?

I fully acknowledge and agree with that.

So the fact that an occupying terrorist group was spawned by an occupying terrorist group excuses their occupation and terrorism?

They could have been fighting Israeli aggression, terrorism, and occupation without becoming occupiers and terrorists themselves. But they didn’t.