Its not a monolith, older models are still useful because they’re less intensive and so more efficient for certain tasks. Those older models will likely still run fine on outdated hardware.

A lot of people imagine hardware that has been outdated as immediate e-waste. It sounds stupid because it would be stupid.

A significantly empty region due to mass economic emigration in the mid 20th century that never really reversed, with seriously abundant opportunity for solar power generation.

Isnt mass consumption of water as the only way a data centre can cool itself also a bit of a falsehood, closed loop systems exist and are increasingly more common.

Click bait imo. Information designed to get you to engage by making you angry.

Always ask yourself why someone wrote this article, unfortunately in late-stage capitalism there is always a fucking angle.

Edit: downvotes but no comments to the contrary = ‘This doesnt fit the worldview im being fed’.

Data centres are a distraction, capitalists are the puppet masters hiding behind the curtain. Stop looking at their hands.

Outlier tbf, I’ve used it at least 10 times and rarely had any sort of issue.

Edit: saying that, none of these were in the US. It sounds worse there, anecdotally.

The economy isnt going anywhere its just going into a recession again, nothing you havent seen before if you were born before the Bush administration.

2. essentially boils down to: women are too hard for me to understand, it was better when society simply let us control them.

Lack of resistance is what brings nazi’s into power, look at the US.

Anyone telling you otherwise thinks you are a gullible idiot.

You just followed the advice 😂 the point is about finding purpose and having the agency to establish your own direction. If you dont have that, you will get bored, and substances of all varieties are just a few steps from boredom.

Sounds like you did this while younger too, not everyone has the same amount of energy 20 years later.

Everyone I’ve seen retire at 40 ends up drinking every day from midday and watching game shows for hours on end.

Point being, find something else to focus on or you’ll drift.

And enjoy!

The original point was that expanding data centres doesn’t disprove a big increase in efficiency per token. Usage, advsnced models/tokens per query and infrastructure can all grow at the same time as the energy required for an individual token falls. And thats an ongoing process.

Companies you know cutting token spend, you thinking ubiquitous AI adoption is unrealistic, and newer models using more tokens per query are all arguments about future/total demand. None of them actually tell us whether a token is dramatically cheaper or more energy efficient to produce than it was a year ago. Realistically thats a learning curve problem, if someone is throwing a basic question at a model far more complex than it needs they are creating the inefficiency and that needs to be made more obvious/streamlined.

I’ve not claimed demand had increased 900x. You inferred that from the existence of new data centres, which was the faulty bit of reasoning I was responding to in the first place.

Based on what rationale?

My stance? What about stance?

Thats good for you, I usually dont preach to people about how to interact with the Internet, but thats just me.

Ive already said i was wasted when I pulled that figure out of my ass.

And the other guy has already acknowledged that the underlying sentiment that is has become a lot more efficient is true.

If they need more than that, its there for them whenever they want.

More what?

You’re not the best conversationalist but its good that you’re working on it.

No.

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When you lock onto something really hard in a discussion like this it becomes very obvious you’re faltering and dont really have much to contribute.

Yeah I can tell you dont want to look into it, that comes across very clear 😂

You’re just repeating the same point I’ve just addressed, so I’ll explain in more detail.

Data centres expanding is perfectly compatible with huge efficiency gains per token. If the cost of inference falls, companies can afford to run vastly more inference, serve more users, use larger models and embed AI into more products.

It’s the same reason more fuel-efficient cars didn’t eliminate demand for roads or petrol. Efficiency lowers the cost of using something, which can increase total consumption.

So “if software got more efficient, they wouldn’t need more data centres” is basically backwards. The relevant question is whether total AI demand is growing faster than efficiency is improving.

You can find token energy efficiency information studies online, I was smashed when I pulled that figure out of my arse but the numbers are similarly huge.

They’re already orders of magnitude more energy efficient than we predicted just a few years ago and both the software and the hardware continue to accelerate that.

You’re forgetting that usage can still go up while token cost goes down.

Or rather, efficiency and usage can increase at the same time.

Global solar generation has increased by 50% in the last 2 years, meanwhile a token is something like 900 times less energy consuming than it was a year ago?

Something comes first, almost free energy and deeply embedded ai usage or total environmental collapse, capitalism deems that we will find out which in due course.

The smugness in assuming that ‘anyone who uses x tool is stupid.’

Self awareness at critical low.