To reach palestine, you will have to cross European waters (where the flotilla starts like france)

THEN international water (the place no one have jurisdiction over yet Israel assieged unarmed ships carrying humanitarian aid)

THEN reach Palestinian water to deliver aids. See that was always the plan

Wow, you can do so much without WITHOUT EVEN FUCKING CROSSING ON ISRAEL TERRITORY NOT THAT IT MATTER ANYWAY.

Sorry, i know you are confused and smarter than that. I do not like Melanchon either. Yeah he is too soft with russia and china, yeah no he will not fix everything. People of power do not fix things, they are the problem… YET for French, europeans and worlds is a step in the right direction and needed breathing room on minorities and majority of peoples.

He is not the solution, no one is the solution for everyone in every time. He certainly is not perfect. He must be criticized but boy oh boy, the opposition is turbo-fascist-mass-deportation, friends of war mongering rich tyrants, Peoples convicted of embezzlement of funds, etc, etc, etc.

and power that having money bring (you do not need to even spend it)

Yeah, i agree with you. That’s why i am here. This protest make me discover this place. I am quite happy. I wouldn’t say pointless but i get your sentiment ;)

my point exactly ;) You know what i mean ? Like in two days we go from everyone fighting everyone to hey, lets work together, we will make a space for you.

It is stupidly reductive but you know… it is a shower thought.

Bonus thought : you are probably part of two or three communities at the same time !

It depends on your view i guess.

If i think “state X and state Y are differents therefore they have different interests”. I get you

If i think “this person grew there, he had friends, family, lived here. And he still does and he may want to keep the place that is the little nice peaceful place in this troubled world. So he is a citizen, he may vote” i go to the opposite view sorta.

Plus, you can always complexify such a debate. Do imaginary lines make you a stranger? Recent history showed us that the state could have different interests than the betterment of the peoples, even when telling otherwise. Plus you can always argue that such a debate does not matter. The “who can vote” argument is a way to choose a tyrant that will favor us, as no one should have the right on another one. Therefore other options like the mandate imperative and revocable, direct democracy, anarchy( no unjust hierarchy) could be better to allow anyone to live a life as freely, happily and respectfully as possible.

well, i am sorry, if you perceived it that way. i know for sure that your way of perceiving the world is more nuanced than that. So am i, but I’m sorry if it didn’t come as such.

No dousing anyone in gasoline is not ok, i mean wtf ? But it does not represent the movement as a whole.

If someone got drugged and rapped at a festival against genocide. Obviously it does not represent the movement. But you can be sure that countries where solidarity with Palestine is classified as terrorist will use the rape case against the movement.

Here it is the same, and in the context of violent repression, crass inequality, provocations. They have (teachers AND students) used every non-violent use and every method that exists. They have been mocked by the power in place telling them to stop being capricious, stop acting like children. Well of course violence will happen.

Mostly against trashcan, which is not violence but degradation. You cannot (in the legal term) be violent against something that is not alive.

And yes, in the 400+ schools that are in blocus which represent a consequent mass of people, some will be stupid. Is the movement a bunch of stupid people? what are they fighting for ?

• More teachers and personnel (some courses cannot be given for months because they lack a teacher)
• classes that are insulated and do not fall apart
• the end of a discriminatory “automated” sorting system at the end of school

wtf they do not have that yet?

Yeah it is important to document the movement, every time people talk about violence (it is never the police brutality, it is 4k though), people do not talk about what the movement as a whole is doing/wanting.

No they are not responsible if someone does X, they are even accounts where they are against. They face oppression, they cannot vote nor strike, they do not even block the road, just their school. They manifest peacefully (which is a constitutional right), the power in place chooses repression(wtf why? against what?). Will it stay peaceful? i think it will be quite impressive if it does.

And a happy yellow jacket comes back !

There is a lot of inequality.

It is not like “based on the number of students you have, you will have to equality share X amount of €”

Some school are “prestigious” so they have a lot more money from the government and from rich parents that can pay for it.

The lowest income school in paris have a lot more than the highest income school in saint-denis (poor city). The problem ? France is a Republic, with a devise that is “freedom, equality, fraternity”

So when rich student “strike” in solidarity (yes it happen, they remember they are human) rich teachers are against that. One could also argue about abuses in the teachers staff.

And obviously, raging people are gonna rage and see any figure of power as an enemy.

So long story short, it is complex but very marginal. The mainstream media in france is owned by 5 billionaires. So yes, EVERY LITTLE THING that you will hear about will be detrimental to the movement. It was the same with the yellow jacket that comes back tomorrow if my info is right.

remember what students (and teachers) want, they are asking for it for month and you only hear about it because they make noises!

they want more teachers that have a correct salary, more staff, the end of a discriminatory “automated” sorting system (parcoursup). They want school that are insulated and do not fall apart.

WoW ! They are asking so much ? what do you mean they do not have that yet ?

Talk about the violence to be slowly cooked day after day for weeks at 35°C and yeah, you will develop a political consciousness very fast.

yeah, They can not vote, they can not strike. So they just block their own studying place in solidarity with the teachers.

They want more teachers, they want classes that are insulated from heat and cold (they had to get to school and “study and learn” under 35°C, and 8°C in the winter) They want the end of the “automated” sortage system (parcoursup) that will impact their lives.

Mainstream media only show burning trashcan. The large majority is very very peaceful. They chant the national hymn. Still police is violent against fucking children, gazing them, arresting some of them without justification just to break morale, strangling them, charging them, accelerating with a car through them while gazing by the windows.

and that is happening while the “yellow jacket” movement is coming back. election are coming in six months so the elite are hoping that will call people down… but it is not likely.

addendum: the justice minister, the police minister and the education minister had a reunion about “stopping the movement dead in the tracks” not like “finding solution”, or trying to understand. So take every number with a grain of salt and i recommend watching independent media like Mediapart.

Well, There is a range of options in my opinion. They range from immediate to long term futur. They range from achievable alone to mass mobilization.

• Reading how peoples sustained themselves during ww1 et ww2 ( start a garden, adopt chicken) but it does take more time and cost reduction is not immediate

• Having a library of thing is a way to help community project like a community garden to do the trick

• work in a cooperative, everyone is owning the workplace and having equal pay. It is not that we don’t produce enough, it is that capitalism is wastefull, the boss of your boss make 20 times what you do, is he 20 more productive that you?

• Help friends and family, they often have things in surplus, than can reduce waste and give away things for free as they exchange it

• Ask for help, you are not the only one struggling, like, we all are, i mean wtf. We all are struggling, we are not angry enough. You will be surprised what peoples are willing to do to help a stranger.

• you are struggling against a system that is quite happy to fine with you struggling, you know what will offer better pay and conditions? Join the army! You can die and torture yourself forever defending a system that put you in such a conditions in the first place.

• mobilize for political change, be creative! As long as you are 75% in accord with a movement, join it but do not compromise if the output is against the right of other people (except power structure like state, richs, or obviously privilegied people) lets be more equals !

Thanks a lot ! I learned so much things. Thanks for the precise references.

It is a solution but i am not sure the supply will last. It can only dwindle.

Your arguments are sounds and valids. I have another solution to a problem, thanks again !

Thanks ;) I learned something!

I do understand your passion and i respect your disappointment.

While i understand the explicit implications of cc-by-nc-sa, (attribution, non-commercial,share alike) i fail to understand the implicits implications. Could i trouble you to explain it ?

Well you are right ! Still i see it as a massive positive win in this particular sector, but sure, lets see what happen and be greedy with licensing! May the next one/release/update be more open.

I thank you a lot

They do have a survey that includes the kit question.

Here is the link if you are interested: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0MLIj1Mfv81vaiOIQG1yMEilruRfNgx7h36l5a0qC-G9TZw/viewform

From this update : https://www.crowdsupply.com/open-tools/openprinter/updates/on-the-road-to-launch

First of all, Thanks a lot for explaining and posting links ! Obviously i was focused into france and stupidly made a general thing. And some of it does apply to france and alike. I need to nuance my point.

But i am like WTF america ? I knew the poverty is on the rise and the education is not as good as other countries. (you absolutely have very very very good school but for the 0.1% only. For the majority of the population, they get by with what they can get and some schools are better then other. Feel free to shit on me on that, it is nothing more than an accumulation of little thing and i hope for nothing more to be wrong)

For example, in belgium, whatever school you graduate from, they are equivalent. You can acces university. A year of university cost less than a 1000€. If you are from a poor family, you can ask to pay lower and/or have funds to help your children learn. Plus every diploma you got should be valid in the whole EU (is not 100% true yet) (well right wing politicians are like “this cost too much” and “our kids are stupider and stupider, lets privatize schools” … maybe it will not be so good anymore)

Sorry, i disgress. Ok poverty is on the rise you read less, housing crisis make people anxious, anxious peoples do not stop to read a long book, Covid confinement basicly put everyone in prison for some years, yeah it has traumatic effect including trouble to focus and reading. Peoples have more and more stuff to do, they do not have time to read anymore, they overburdened themself (free fuck the grindset) They are anxious, burdened, poor and stressed, tiktok offer an easy, no stress, passive way to distract yourself from the world. Fucking hell.

A lot of it is true too for france and europe and while wtf i didn’t knew it was so bad for americans.We are aimed in sorta the same direction. But thinks are not that bad yet. Right wing politicians use reading stats as “public school do not make young kids reads a lot of book, it is a failure of a system make it private” and is based on a lot of flimsy stupids claims that we have to debunk. like :

• once you achieved a basic level of literacy (you can read on your own a big book) and know how to resume and select relevant information (those are tested skill) well reading more does not significantly improve anything.
• The education crisis in lots of skils like math, chemistry, french, history and skills like critical thinking, empathy, understanding, etc is more linked to the size of class, the lack of funding for school, the desperate state of our scholing infrastructure, the teachers that very badly paid, etc It is more of an issue of the system and the mean than just reading. But again, put such system in question like “why learning basic and absolutely necessary skills to people should be subject to capitalist competition” ? Why would that make any sense ?

Thanks for sharing.

Well there is some of my own experience, some friends that are librarians, the wonderfull book “sois jeune et tais toi, une réponses a ceux qui critiquent la jeunesse” in english “be young and shut up! an answer to thoses that mock the youngs” from Salomé Saquee that goes above and beyond explaining that most stereotypes abount youngs are just that, stereotypes. https://world.edu/yes-young-people-are-still-reading-but-differently/

But i believe that reading is important, i believe you do too.

Do you have other sources? we could have a complementary vision of the world ;) Or both learn something ;p

they do. The “kids dont read anymore” come from i don’t know where.

they read books, book tiktok is a thing. Youtuber as well. They read journal articles online or otherwise, they text each other so… they read same for social media. Audiobook is on the rise. In my book it count as reading a book. You are aware of each line of content of the book.

The most “kids don’t read anymore” come from politicians that attribute the closure of library to young people instead of amazon, policies that does not protect or recognize librarians, etc.

For anyone reading this.

What this greedy capitalist want are people working all the time. The poorer and desperate they are the better. It mean they will accept ANYTHING in order to barely survive. The perfect worker/soldier !

I passionate myself for french politics. Some right politician (they could be considered leftist by some American standard) want less paid annual leave. It is very unpopular and it need extraordinary constant popular démonstration to not pass that thing.

The french have these thing because the resistance during the war asked for such things and more at the end of the war. They have it because of mass strike, popular démonstration, etc.

It is NOT a fixed thing. And french politicians are not good listener, sometimes, they just do whatever they want. For example the when a cops use his gun, they had to justify and prove the use of strength. A recent law changed that. The cops using his gun is his right. It is up to the victim to prove that it was not appropriate. The law is dubbed “license to kill” by the opposition. An extraordinary petition was signed in a very short time. It passes anyway.

No country is better than another. Power and greed go well together. France still have social security, paid annual leave, not getting shot by cops for no reason. But it is always a “for now”!

It is the election season, some candidats campaign for better, far far better than they have but… they are dubed extreme left (to the disarray of actual leftist revolutionary parties). Methods of discredit are the same. Helping others start with yourself and end with everyone.

You could even expand on that. DNA is the blueprint (genotype). However you are talking about life, and life will find a way to live to the best of its abilities. Let’s dig on that:

• imagine your original dog lacked some nutrients at some point, it may seem minor, ridiculous even but the expression of some sub-recipe could not activate properly during growth. So the recipe(genotype) was there but did not complete. The result (phenotype) is different.

• Life is alive. Lots of things are active, well everything. Ex: for black and white cats, the black spots are due to hot spot on the body. So if you shave your cat, cover some area, it will grow black instead of white.

• Plus you are assuming that the same blueprint, the same conditions give the same results. When replicating cells make mistakes that could radically change behavior, physical appearance, health conditions,etc

The last is more philosophical and less sciency. The more you love a companion, the greater the loss. You regret everything that will be no more. Loss is an expression of the care you gave each other and you still give to each other. It was and is an existence that impacts and affects you.

The pain is so unbearable that it crush to dust the “is it possible to do this” part of your reasoning. It obliterates the “should i do this”. And finally it even makes you miss the “should my companion would want that”.

It is the thing that i find ugly.The lack of consent. Without consent, There is no care, no love. You love each other so much that even in the absence of the other the effect is so great yet you would disrespect all the things that you have been through, all the lessons and mistakes, all the moments that were precious because they happened once instead of never, all the things you have built together (including yourselfs).

Plus it is a slippery slope. Your companion dumped you (it is a loss!). You clone it, put the same memories, everything in it. You comodified your relationship, your companion. You disrespect their freedom and consent to even leave you.

It dumps you again, those memories of them should be the problem. Do you alter them ? So convenient. Obviously, it is not a relationship but a shitty product, a mere convenience for someone that refuses to grow, to learn.

You could give and receive so much care yet you prefer a farce, a lie where every moment reminds you that those moments are passed and gone. It is not about both of you anymore, it is only about yourself. You have a problem, not a relationship.

I will moderate myself a bit. In all the bits that make us humans you have the fear of pain and loss and the need to control everything. Your way of thinking is not ugly but human. However should you put that into practice in one form or another it will become ugly very fast.

If anyone reading is experiencing such emotions. Take care of yourself, ask for help and share your experience if you are able to. Your relationship is unique. The emotion you experience is a part of human nature.We are not alone.

Up, thanks to you both. We are talking about thoses and some more, i will update when we found a solution to their problem ;) If anyone have a better or nice idea. Please post. worst of the worst, i/we learn something new ;)

Yeah!

Assuming the system is secure ! It never is. Data breach happen. More so when your goal is to increase profit and reduce workforce (cost). Imagine China or Russia or anyone else having acces to that killchain for a fraction of second. It is automated, missile launched.

Thoses human -were here for a reason. It is a human that prevented a nuclear holocaust when russian falsely detected an attack during cold war.

What about data poisoning, error, mistake ?

Why are we as a species doing this ? who want that ? why ? With a fraction of the cost, you can feed, educate, house homeless peoples. Now you can have artists, nurse, teachers, scientist.

Fuck.

But i am hopefull, i need to ! I post that on a federated open source and free social media made by human for human. It help me a lot. Diverse and united.