Edit: I made a mistake, I meant to add Mailfence instead of Fastmail, but forgot to update both the icon and text
Hey everyone, here’s a follow up to my previous post, I tried to summarize all your suggestions and these are the options I have for the main Proton products I’ve been using.
I removed Bitwarden based on your feedback (basically they’re enshittifying).
I’m not including Tuta, because I dislike their UX/UI, also they seem to not apply their LLM policy to their own devs.
I’m not including Mullvlad, because of one of the founder’s donation to a far right political party in Sweden, said founder has a blog post to justify this, which links to another blog post where he claims to be a libertarian anarchist which is just another word for Ancaps which is a dealbreaker for me.
A lot of people recommended using one’s own domain for email stuff, I forgot to mention I do have a custom domain, which will make migrating a lot easier indeed. Just need to update my accounts credentials.
Let me know what you think!
I would recommend doing a little more research into Mullvad and not rule it completely. I had the same stance until recently when someone pointed out a few facts.
The Örebro party is actually pretty interesting. Most of thier policies are pretty reasonable and forward thinking. Other countries would love to have some of the things they are advocating for (shorter work weeks, free public transport, and lower politician salaries, to name a few).
Just because one of the founders donated his own money to the organization doesn’t mean the company as a whole supports it.
Many of the VPNs being suggested may not have founders with crazy political views, but in my experience and other research, they are either extremely slow or have very few servers.
I will be switching to Mullvad in the very near future.
We used to enjoy using Proton, but over time, it began to resemble a large, impersonal corporation. Moves like the introduction of a “workspace” plan or tendencies toward monopolization are clear indicators of this. Switching to Disroot—a far superior alternative—has been invaluable for us; Disroot truly values its users. Although they are experiencing some issues at the moment, it’s not a major concern—every system encounters problems from time to time, and we are fully confident that these will be resolved soon. We highly recommend Disroot as an alternative to Proton; it is, in a word, a fantastic service.
What’s the thing with ChiPass vs KeepassXC?
Why are you using the GOP logo? This isn’t an American-centric issue.
Just put a Swastika. That’s what he apparently stands for now.
I like Infomaniak, IVPN, and Bitwarden
@inlandempire@jlai.lu , I think you may be inadvertently making a mistake excluding mullvad and bitwarden.
Mullvad is an excellent vpn service that provides unparalleled security, privacy and anonymity. If security, anonymity or privacy could have an effect on your safety then consider weighing that safety against your concerns about its founders political donations.
I currently have active subscriptions to mullvad, windscribe, proton, ivpn and airvpn. If I had to go down to one it would be mullvad, if I had to go down to two I’d add air for piracy.
Windscribe is the one I won’t be renewing. It’s complex, confusing, frankly expensive for what you get, has an awful app and config file generator, constantly seems to radiate incompetence and I think their style in general is cringey.
Proton is what you’re leaving and to be honest I’m probably gonna replace it with Nord. It’s “fine” but I can’t effectively automate its use on headless systems so it’s gotta go.
Ivpn is pretty good with a couple of caveats: it’s still possible to screw up and make an account with pii that the company can be forced to divulge, there are many examples of this vector causing people problems with other services. The company has not faced the same scrutiny as mullvad, however that’s a very high bar. What truly is a dealbreaker is how few servers & locations ivpn has and how not great the speeds are.
Airvpn is a piracy service. Theres no two ways about it and it’s great for that. I wouldnt bet my life on it but it sure does allow port forwarding at a decent price!
Mullvad in comparison is simple, reasonably priced, has plenty of servers and locations with good speed, has the best vpn apps I’ve seen, you literally can’t make an account that’s not anonymous and has passed the most intense possible scrutiny I know of for a vpn.
If your life or freedom depends on it, you should pick mullvad.
Many companies with some tie to politics I disagree with produce extremely high quality products and services that I rely on. It is particularly hard to avoid in the gun market but is certainly present in security as well.
Of course if the vpn is for getting past the company firewall so you can look at pornography on company WiFi or something, feel free to disregard this.
I brought up bitwarden but I’m tired of tippa tapping out a post so just imagine an equally long description of how it’s good and the problems always seem to turn out to be overblown.
I’m not sure I understand why the need for multiple vpn at same time?
Mullvad for phones and personal computers because its app gets updated often and is generally very good on phones especially, air for seedbox because it has port forwarding, something else to use in automated scraping.
I ended up with that many active at one time because I wanted to try some of the stuff that gets recommended all the time and between a full crontab of content grabbing scripts and a couple of hermes instances I was running up against some of the guardrails of a normal user account too often for comfort but some of these VPNs fucking suck. I’m getting my money out of em but damn.
I recently made a post asking for email providers, and no one has yet mentioned Mailfence, I hadn’t heard of it until seeing this post. What are people’s thoughts on it?
i had enough struggle to convince my friends to switch away from google, im sure as hell not getting them to switch again. especially not when i am the one paying for the family subscription
I think it’s fine. Proton is still better than big tech. I want to move away from Proton for myself but that’s because I am not tied to an address (custom domain) and am happy to do the switch. I would still encourage Proton over big tech for regular people. We do the best we can do.
I’m confused… If you’re the one paying for it, why do you need to convince them of anything? They can come along or pay for their own services.
it was unfortunately worded. the reason they switched at all is because im paying. if i stop paxing they will just switch back
That’s their prerogative.
What ever happened to Tuta mail? Is that bad?
Besides the OP’s point, it also disallows standard protocols.
OP already mentioned in their post:
I’m not including Tuta, because I dislike their UX/UI, also they seem to not apply their LLM policy to their own devs.
Sorry I did the thing where I didn’t fully read the post. Thank you for sending the quote!
So, guys, I’ve had a pretty great experience with GMail, from a small company… they index the Internet, whatever that means. Anyway, the sign up is free and and I don’t have to bring a domain… again, not sure what that means, but it sounds nice.
It sounds perfect, I sure hope they’re not evil or something
It’s funny you should mention that, because they go out of their way to specifically say that they aren’t!
I always felt it was just a company telling me to not be evil. Rules for thee not for me, if you will.
I believe 'em. Especially after they bought a co called “doubleclick”. Not sure what that is, but they probably invented double clicking with my mouse buttons. Or sth like that. No way an evil co would be giving us stuff like that.
“Don’t be evil” seems like an aspirational sentiment rather than a reflective one. Like an addict writing “don’t do drugs” on their todo list.
Guess they should have aspired harder.
Also, the storage they offer increases constantly in real time. There is a counter on their page if you wanna check.
I do love Posteo, but they explicitly do not support custom domains, as said in their FAQ. However, it is very strongly anti-AI, and has strong ethics that I think anyone in your situation would agree with.
For VPNs, I love AirVPN a lot, though I hear it can be rather slow. For me, I personally use it for downloading Linux ISOs as well as getting past wonky internet connections and it works really well for those use cases. From what I could see, Xeovo also seems to be torrent-friendly as well.
I’ve recommended Aegis to close family and have used KeePass (as well as XC and ChiPass, which is an AI-free fork of XC) in both a personal and professional capacity. I will have a look at AliasVault though, as I would like to move away from BitWarden myself.
yep, that’s my connundrum right now, posteo also seem to have a more generous offer for cheaper (than mailbox)
I wish there was a good one with custom domain support, unlimited aliases and good filter for tagging/moving to folder so I can move from same sender based on title
Privacy first
I personally self-host my mailbox and relay outgoing mail using Emailit.com (Czech). I have all possible addresses in my domain, and can put whatever filters I like. However, I appreciate Posteo very much, I would have used their service if not for the desire to use another domain.
Just a question, is there anything wrong with just KeePass?
KeePass is proprietary. KeePassXC is open source. I have experience with both and I find XC much better in many ways.
No, but you need to backup/sync it yourself
I meant non-XC KeePass. You have to back up XC manually as well. But I think I saw someone saying something bad about KeePass without XC or DX and I’m curious now.
KeePass is made with Windows in mind, so it might not have come across OP’s radar if they don’t use Windows.
I wouldn’t trust a proprietary VPN, so I’d remove Xeovo. As someone else mentioned, Obscura uses Mullvad servers as the exit node. Not recommending Mullvad is fine and I’d do it too, but then recommending Obscura is weird.
Xeovo appears to use WireGuard and OpenVPN. They don’t even seem to have their own client.
Fastmail while an excellent product, is in a jurisdiction with “dubious” rules. I would give Tuta a second chance. Infomaniak is also a good alternative.
Tuta is going straight against their own policies on Ai, hard disagree on that 2nd chance. You might just as well do that with Proton then.
True, why not? it was clear that the people that work at proton were competent enough to raise the issue and make it a public discussion, I wouldn’t throw them away that easily.
That’s absolutely true
That’s my mistake, I meant to add Mailfence instead of Fastmail, but forgot to update both the icon and text
I don’t see Mozilla Thundermail making any of these lists, so if there are concerns, this is the place to say why. It’s still beta, but I got my invitation only 2 days after asking, so I’d say it’s viable in that regard.
Looks like they became an advertiser via acquisition of anonym, removed the “we don’t sell your data” promise and switched from claiming “the best privacy” to “always protected” and updated their privacy policy, although the article I read didn’t cover what specific problems were introduced, just said that it was concerning. source
Thunderbird is technically separated from Mozilla to my understanding
Great wiki resource, thanks.
I second this question. I only found the email storage (30GB?) a bit small.
Also, does Surfshark VPN have anything going against them?
the marketing budget of a military coup nation state is totally not suspicious at all.
I try to avoid vpns that have to pay people to advertise their services
