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    This is literally Russian talking points

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      Acknowledging the reality that ICE was a massive part of the outcry against trump in his first term is “russian talking points”? Jesus christ Russiagate has you guys whipped into a xenophobic frenzy. Goebbels would be bored with how simple you would be to corral. If Putin said the sky is blue, would you suddenly insist it is black?

      Anyway:

      1. Ad hominem. You are not adressing the argument, but instead the character of it. Where the argument comes from does not make it any less cogent.
      2. “Everyone who disagrees with me is an insidious foreigner” and other insane conspiracies for the right wing mind.
      3. No it isn’t. Source your claim.
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        I’m a liberal

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          You’re a xenophobic conspiracist. What you define yourself as does not matter, what matters is what you believe, what you say and what you do. And what you do is support genociders, what you say is that critique of democrats is some nefarious foreign plot and what you believe is that basic facts can be disregarded if they are russian. This makes you a right wing conspiracist.
          Also I edited the comment, look at it again.

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            How am I xenophobic?

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              I spelled that out pretty clearly. If youre going to do this lazy obtuse thing then you have to at least do it about something that has not been spelled out explicitly.

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                I’m anti genocide. Who am I xenophobic against!?

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                  You are voting for democrats, you are voting for genocide. The rest has been spelled out to you. Go and read the comment, quote me the part you pretend not to understand but you really just have a gut reaction of frustration to, without any real counterargument because it is ultimately correct.

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                    Removed by mod

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      So what you’re saying is that Russia tells the truth.

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        Russia is imperialist at best.

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          What does that have to do with the previous statement?

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          Zeroth of all, what’s worse than being imperialist?

          First of all, even if it were imperialist, how is that relevant in the slightest?

          Second of all, previously:

          Russia, if given its druthers, would be imperialist, but since it presently doesn’t, it presently isn’t. Putin tried to join NATO once, to join the imperialist club, but that was rejected, because the US wanted Russia Balkanized & plundered instead. Russia has figured out it’s better off allying with Global South countries than attempting imperialist adventures upon them. And this war has accelerated that allyship.

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            Lmao nato exists specifically because of Russia post WW2.

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              Partially correct. The territory making up the modern Russian Republic was also part of the Soviet Union, which is what NATO was created to destroy.
              NATO is an anti-communist alliance created and staffed by the Nazis after world war 2. This is a bad thing. West Germany managed to have more Nazis in government after the war, in large part due to NATO.

              edit: copypasted from another comment where I stole it from a better user than me
              Let’s see: Nazis in Germany post-war were hired and brought directly back into:

              • Official posts within the federal government and its ministerial cabinets
              • into the upper judiciary and magistrates
              • into local governance
              • elevated and hired into immense wealth in industry and finance, or just kept where they already were in industry and finance
              • hired into forming the Nazi core of the West German intelligence and secret police agencies (which would become today’s German agencies) under the protective auspices of the OSS/CIA; who made extensive use of their networks of executioners and collaborators to prop up US-backed dictatorships and cartels and use as anti-communist stay-behind guerilla terrorists by the CIA and NATO (and brought into the CIA and FBI themselves, and into MI6 and Mossad)
              • into German academia and universities as faculty and professors,
              • to write western history books at the behest and with support of the US Army and OSS/CIA to sanitize their own crimes
              • all those hired into NATO and into the EU
              • into positions of power in West Germany (and all the NATO countries, helping in and helped by Gladio violently purging the communists) in such saturation and such impunity that it caused the formation of left wing militant groups that would assassinate and kidnap them.

              but other than all of that though!

              (And that’s not even mentioning the Nazis and collaborators which made up the origins of Radio Free Europe/Liberty, the “Victims of Communism Foundation” which grew out of the fascist-filled anti-Soviet “Captive Nations Lobby” headed by OUN-B Nazis from Ukraine, and all the Operation Aerodynamic, Operation Paperclip, Operation Sunrise, Operation Beladonna, Operation Lynx, etc etc.)

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                ukraini slava

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                  Wrong position of the words, nazi

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          Irrelevant. You’re describing objective historical facts as “Russian talking points.”

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