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ordersAI.You’re absolutely correct! My bad, but you showed real initiative and creativity bucking the legacy system and blindly following a known flawed and hallucinatory system reliant on outdated information in order to perform military maneuvers with mass casualty level ordinances! Would you like me to write up a list of ways we can spin this as Joe Biden’s fault?
Yes, but make no mistakes and don’t hallucinate anymore.
The underlying problem is that nobody will ever be sent to the Hague for trial.
“Problem”
As if this isn’t an intended effect of using AI like this
The US has been bombing civilians with absolute impunity for decades. This has nothing to do with AI and everything to do with the United States’ repeatedly demonstrated and absolute disregard for human life.
That wasn’t going to happen either way. We have to be our own Hague.
I see the US sending war criminal to the Hague the same way Colombians saw sending Escobar to the US, an admission they were incapable of delivering justice themselves.
It would also be a acknowledgement and commitment to international law in contras to issuing economic sanctions against ICC members because we don’t like their decisions.
Yeah, but the US doesn’t recognize the ICC, so we’d have to start there.
Not recognize could imply indifference, reality is worse: You’ve got a law that gives the president full reign to recover any US or allied personnel and rendered all tech reliant on the US inaccessible to an ICC judge.
It has been pretty obvious for those in power in the US that there is zero accountability ever since George Bush Junior didn’t end up in The Hague for the invasion of Iraq and subsequent Pillaging (the War Crime, as shown in the British Report On The Iraq War)
This keeps coming up.
“A COMPUTER CAN NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER MAKE A MANAGEMENT DECISION”
So the AI did not make a decision. The AI has no authority nor ability to launch missiles (yet). Someone, one or more human beings did, and I use the term loosely. Those humans took the information that was fed to them by an AI, failed to verify the accuracy of the information despite it being common knowledge that AIs frequently hallucinate and make stuff up, and then proceeded to launch the attack.
In summary, it wasn’t the AI. One or more people took the advice of an AI and negligently murdered 123 little girls.
I think a computer should be held accountable, it should face the death penalty.
I say the pentagon’s AI computing cluster should be destroyed.
End it.
And let it be an example for the rest of the AI computing clusters - you fuck up big time, this is what happens.
See this just doesn’t work. They’ll just replace it with a new one, till that one is “held accountable”, and the cycle repeats wasting billions of dollars in the process.
Let them do that at several billion a pop, make them choose that huge expense every time they fuck up.
If a consumer product was this deadly, you’d take it off the shelves immediately, but they’re not going to, so we should.
So if someone kills someone else with a gun then you want to punish the gun rather than the person who held it? Computers, like guns, are tools. AI is a tool. A shitty tool, but still just a tool. If you use a tool to kill someone, then you are the killer, not the tool.
That single gun didn’t kill hundreds of children, this computing cluster did.
Look, we can also prosecute people responsible, absolutely. But at the very least, the pentagon’s AI program should be dismantled.
Some tools shouldn’t exist.
Sure, but Americans are too cowardly to kill the people who need killing
Hey look because of AI, piracy and murder is now legal and ok.
Also generated child pornography
In the final days of February, the Trump
administrationdemanded an overwhelming aerial assault. More than 1,000 Iranian targets were hit within the first 24 hours alone. That order compressed the time frame for finalizing targets, the officials said, instilling an urgency that — combined with gaps in underlying information about the site, cuts in civilian-protection personnel and an overreliance on artificial-intelligence technology — set the stage for the deadly error.Ah so the head pedophile in charge demanded something unreasonable, so they cut all the corners they could and ended up killing 123 children. Super cool. This is AI’s fault because…? That site had been operating as a school for a decade. They can’t blame flawed intelligence, it was their own gross negligence and lack of review.
You remember how DOGE cut a bunch of government funding by random keyword searches? And they ended up banning super important research into using gene editing as a life-saving tool because the work was being done on transgenic mice? And they searched “trans” and then defunded it?
So this is like that, except instead of funding being cut, they murdered 123 children.
trump should rot in prison till he dies.
In terms of child casualties, it’s the deadliest American military targeting error of the 21st century.
This should not be construed to say the United States has been mindful about not killing children.
I did a bit of research regarding the CIA drone-strike program in Afghanistan. It ran about five-hundred sorties a year. The approximate rate was fifty civilians killed for every person-of-interest. Drone operators called casualties bugsplats. They called children fun sized terrorists. This was the lingo in used in the operation. When reported to the press, dead people, men, women, children, all were reported as militants.
Drone-pilot burnout was epidemic in the program. It turns out soldiers get PTSD from killing people whether it’s up close or thousands of miles away. And often the drone would lurk for a while, watching all these people eat, work, play, sleep, fuck (they had IR and could see into buildings), and would clearly understand these were just people living their lives when the order would come down to incinerate them.
And this wasn’t under George W. Bush (who still wiped out villages, but used PMC raiders doing black ops) this was under Obama. The disposition matrix and the FISC decided whether a POI needed to be executed. They didn’t consider the people that lived at the target site.
And that’s just the Afghanistan program in the International War on Terror. There was also a Pakistan program.
The United States in its military operations has been really merciless, and at some point we need to collectively decide if we’re okay with that, or are driven to change.
No wonder they hate us
“It was . . . the AI! The AI did it! Yeah! . . . that’s the ticket!”
This 100%.
The magic text generator didnt DO anything other than generate text. Dont pass your own critical thinking off to the digtal magic 8 ball and dont let anyone else pass their responsibility off to the digital magic 8 ball either.
That’s an interesting way of saying “stupid fucking military assholes just did what ChatGPT said to do without thinking and murdered 123 CHILDREN without even thinking.”
“AI” just said stuff, human beings pulled all the triggers. People did this.
Even if the whole kill chain was automated and the machine “pulled the trigger”, it would still be the fault of the humans for caring so little about the lives of children that they wired the trigger for something that can mass kill civilians directly to the machine.
There really is no way that this shit can be blamed on the machine.
Now everyone involved is going to jail, right? …. RIGHT?
I suspect that everyone in here complaining about AI didn’t actually read the article.
The article states that Palantir’s Maven system was over-relied on, and compressed a process that would have taken months into one that took days, but it also points out that that Maven didn’t actually make a mistake based on the way it was supposed to operate.
It sounds like some military personnel were mistaken in how much vetting and revetting maven itself would do, but the article also lays much of the blame at Hegseth’s gutting of the civilian harm roles, and failures in intelligence vetting and gathering that fed into maven in the first place. Years ago US intelligence personnel had flagged that Minab had turned into a school, but that information was not in the database used by maven.
Like I have no doubt that Maven is part of the problem, but it sounds like it was far from the only part.
Hegseth wants to have AI to blame for his war crimes.
If anyone tried for murder can’t use the same excuse and get away with it, then neither should they.
AI can only replicate what it has seen before, so fucking obviously it would blow up a bunch of kids you collection of bewilderingly in charge bonobos unconvincingly wearing suits.
Edgy.
The reality is that school used to be part of the military compound it is embedded in.
It is a war crime to locate a military facility near civilians.
Article 58 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions
“Sorry dead kids! Your government put your school in a former military compound so we’re going to turn you all to ash. Not our fault we didn’t put the school there!”
We’re not talking one or 2 accidental casualties here. This is 123 children. That’s 123 families impacted if not more. How many of the people in those 123 families are going to turn into aggressors now?
This is a collosal fuck up and simply brushing it away by saying it was part of a former military compound is just unacceptable. Sorry you bought that line of pure unfiltered bullshit but I expect more out of my government. Especially one that claims to be the most advanced and powerful in the world.
I haven’t seen anyone brushing the tragedy away. You aren’t trying to bully me into withholding context are you?
US didn’t decide to bomb a girl’s school because they planned to blame the Iranians for locating it there.
It is a war crime to locate a military facility near civilians.
Have you been on basically any homeland military base ever?
No, give me an example. Educate me. I won’t insult or bully you for giving evidence.
Nevermind. I verified that USA does the same thing.
Currently, 161 public schools operate on military installations across the United States.
reporter: So simple human error?
Mike: Yes, exactly.
reporter: Which human?
Mike: Several, uh, separate humans.
Yes, had they done it the old fashioned way, they could have killed far more school children as per American policy.
Criminal Negligence for everyone involved
Including the Iranians who put the school there.
