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Earlier this week, Gamers Nexus, Level1Techs, and independent security researchers detailed some alarming findings about how LG’s TVs are logging and uploading data on its users. Now the company is pushing back against those allegations, saying that “Some recent media coverage may have contributed to misconceptions about how LG smart TVs work.”
LG released a statement in which it claims that its “TVs do not continuously record or transmit users’ conversations,” and that wake-word detection is all processed locally. However, the word “continuously” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here as Gamers Nexus demonstrated an LG TV keeping extensive logs of ambient conversations long after one would assume its AI assistant had stopped listening.
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They’re adding a forced arbitration clause to their upcoming ToS, clearly the actions of innocent people
Luckily forced arbitration is not legal in the EU.
I don’t dispute that, but can you point to the relevant law?
A pre-dispute contractual clause that removes those consumer jurisdiction rights is generally restricted.
Separately, under the EU Unfair Contract Terms Directive, a standard term that effectively excludes or hinders a consumer’s ability to take legal action can be considered unfair and therefore not binding on the consumer.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/1993/13/2022-05-28/eng
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A62019CJ0519
I saw the video of Gamer’s Nexus… Man is like 10 times worse than I thought…
Heres the thing. Its exceptionally easy to see where packets are going on most routers. IP to IP or otherwise.
So yeah, things are going out when you plug in an LG tv. So dont buy it.
I have two of them…but I only use them for streaming from my plex server so they’re completely isolated from the internet. As far as I’m concerned I’m happy if it never connects to the internet.
But no, next TV will most definitely not be an LG… Though I’m not sure what the options are, all TV’s are smart TV’s these days… Fuck it, maybe I’ll just find a 65" dumb monitor and put it on the wall.
Here’s the fun part. It doesn’t matter. If it finds any open Wi-Fi then it will connect and upload. And it’s constantly looking
Did you known with the LG engineering remote you can disable the wifi completely?
And the remote can be had on amazon for about $20.
I need a -separate- remote to control my TV functions?
To hit the engineering level functions, yes. (Same thing you use to program it when you replace the motherboard, which I also had to do a few months ago)
Haha very happy my LG C1 has never met an Ethernet cable or WiFi connection but honestly wouldn’t be surprised to hear they’re doing shady things anyway like trying to access unlocked connections or recording everything for the future anyway
LG released a statement in which it claims that its “TVs do not continuously record or transmit users’ conversations,”
But with a 100 trigger words?
They stop recording for 12 minutes a day.
They only record 44100 times a second, which is discrete and not continuous
I have an LG C3 that I never connected to Wifi or plugged an ethernet cable into. I only use it with my nvidia shield running lineage OS, am I still affected by this / anything I should do?
Yes you’re still effected.
It’s not unreasonable to assume it may have been connected to the internet unbeknownst to you if there’s been an unsecured network close by that your tv could connect to.
An attacker could (and gamers Nexus demonstrated this) connect to your television and read transcripts of things you’ve said in your house when you didn’t realise your tv was listening. If you’ve never used the voice recognition wake word around your tv you might be ok, but an attacker can also change the wake word to something you might casually say (they showed this too)
If you do own an LG tv it’s worth watching the gamers Nexus video to fully be aware of what is happening.
Effect: a thing: particle effects, fireworks, special effects
Affect: something is changed: affected by politics, smoking in public affects others, affected by the amount of love from your parents
It’s literally in the comment they are responding to…
Nah, they used the wrong one. It’s not a big deal, but I like having easy ways to help remember common misspellings or weird things. Like on two axis graphs, the X and Y coordinates sometimes get confusing. So, in order to remember which coordinate is which, X and then Y, and then you have to RUN (horizontal, X) before you JUMP (vertical, Y). I heard that from some teacher when I was a kid and never forgot.
Wait, I’m the guy you corrected. What’s the easy way to remember affected vs effected? You just told me which is which, but do you have a trick like you do for the X vs Y axis on a graph?
I don’t have one for you but that’s called a mnemonic
“We own the glass” is enough for me to never buy an LG again. I own two never contacted to the internet, but Jesus that’s gross.
I suspect all the smart TVs are doing it to similar levels.
Buy a dumb Tv
BTW I see the “but a dumb tv” advice, but what are some dumb tvs in 2026?
I only see smart TVs in store, and I know the side I’d look for signage TVs but I don’t know if they have good audio with a sound bar, or good colour presentation.
I bought a 50-something-inch Sceptre about 5-6 years ago for like $200 that is just a display with inputs. I believe they are only sold through Walmart, and I have no idea if they are still available or not.
