cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/65174189
Florida public schools will force students to take a Heritage Foundation-backed class on the āevils of communism.ā
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/65174189
Florida public schools will force students to take a Heritage Foundation-backed class on the āevils of communism.ā
FWIW, I got it from wp:Persecution of Uyghurs in China; though yes, both the extreme left and extreme right tend not to like Wikipedia.
As itās a non-free image, I think itās intentionally degraded in order to better argue fair use.
Also, FWIW for any lurker: wp:Adrian Zenz.
Maybe the Uighur genocide should be put into wv:Category:Wikidebates.
The Guantanamo detentions are, of course, unjust, as was the state-sanctioned murder of Osama bin Ladan (who should have been tried in the US proper, with Bill of Rights followed (but alas, Obama had an election to win)).
That said, I donāt think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo;
and yes, the Chinese commies will say that the Uighurs werenāt extracted from Central Asia, like America has extracted many from that areaāIāll grant them that; but as Iām a bit sympathetic to anarchism and at times regard nation-states as fictions, state cults, with 100s of millions of adherents, itās somewhat of a moot point to me.
Itās like the current US-Iran war: theyāre both wrong, and I wish neither Trump and Hegseth, nor the theo-fascists who rule Iran, success.
Indeed, ALL the anti-China Uyghur propaganda traces back to āguided by Godā Adrian Zenz.
And wikipedia is indeed garbage for anything political since itās easily manipulated and astroturfed.
Does knowing that simple fact make you extreme?
Iām sure you have evidence for those numbers.
And of the āgenocideā.
Palestine is massively controlled and has much lower smartphone ownership rate.
Yet videos from atrocities reach us all the time.
Where are those from Xinjiang? Double the population.
Yes China has jails and prisoners, also in Xinjiang, shocker!
Because they have criminals like everywhere else.
Even terrorists, funded as always by the west to serve a purpose, as in Syria and Somalia,etcā¦
When they hijack planes, bomb buses and do suicide attacks they get put in jail.
Has China do everything perfectly and with velvet gloves? Probably not.
Nobodyās perfect.
The situation has been under control for a long time now and the vast majority are normal people living normal lives.
Of course the western propaganda machine exagerated, lied and keeps milking this now non-issue.
As they verifiably lie about any country they donāt like.
Obama had indeed an election to win.
If they really got Bin Laden after 15 years Iām sure they wouldāve showned the videos of the heroic raid all day long.
But nothing.
And if you believe the batshit crazy story that they took his body but somehow for some reason decided to throw his body overboard I have some land to sell you.
And no, Iran is not wrong, only the aggressor the US.
But anarchists wouldnāt know better and for some reason they always end up fighting some "authoritarian regimeā taking the side of the authoritarian imperialist western regime.
But anyway you believe what you want and maybe youāll inform yourself and possibly grow out of the edgy teen anarchist fase.
If youāre older then you might be a lost cause.
Anyway enough said.
Bye
Are you saying that if it wasnāt for him, all this talk about the Uighur genocide wouldnāt be going on?
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Could you provide ā„3 examples of easy manipulation and astroturfing, please?
Are you saying when Wikipedia says mean things about Hitler or Trump, I shouldnāt believe it?
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Is it a simple fact?
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I donāt, which of course necessarily means that millions indeed have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo. š
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I think Israel, as bad as it is, has (or at least until recently had) freer speech than the PRC. Hamas can probably smuggle things out. Also presumably if one went 20 km east or west from any part of Gaza or the West Bank, one would be either in Israel proper, the Mediterranean, or Jordan.
Travel 10x that distance from ĆrĆ¼mqi, and one will probably still be in the PRC.
I wonder if a chip could be inserted into a baseball and thrown over the wall into Israel.
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and probably real criminals mixed in with those who are persecuted politically.
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Thank you for the link.
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Some of these articles look interesting. I might read them.
wp:Turkistan Islamic Party
wp:East Turkestan independence movement
wp:East Turkestan Peopleās Revolutionary Party
wp:United Revolutionary Front of East Turkestan
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Also, how does the West fund Uighurs, with Chinaās ubiquitous surveillance?
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Okay, good point.
So are you saying that bin Ladenās still alive?
Does Wikipedia has anything to say about this (even though you say itās āindeed garbage for anything politicalā)? Letās see:
wp:Osama bin Laden death conspiracy theories
I guess you think this article is garbage too.
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(my bold)
You do?!? Please give me details!
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Do you support the Islamo-fascists?
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I aināt fighting for the US, though they seem to treat women, LGBTQIs, and those of other religions, or those with no religions, better, or far less badly, than they do in the theo-fascist ISLAMIC Republic of Iran. If citing that makes me a stooge of Western imperialism, then I guess thatād make me a Western imperialist.
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I think you misspelled āphaseā.
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Goodnight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol9_0schMHs
2:01
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Who knows, there are plenty agencies and paid actors in the west who constantly write and invent China bad stories.
You could certainly be one of them since you use all the cheap tricks they use.
Recognizable if you read all the trolling handbooks from GCHQ,hasbara units,etcā¦ which I have.
You fail to provide the evidence of your claims as I asked and try to place the burden on me and deflect.
See, thatās what Iām talking about, 2 of the known tricks.
1 return the question for evidence
2 the classic āare you sayingā¦ā followed by nonsense I didnāt say. (use of fallacies)
But Iāll answer you anyway since itās easy.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2012/10/05/wikipedias-pay-for-play-scandal-highlights-wikipedias-vulnerabilities/ https://tankie.tube/w/48uvLWEKJM8fvSyiSupXf4 https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1626367075965960193
https://www.vice.com/en/article/political-staffers-tried-to-delete-the-senate-scandal-and-other-bad-behaviour-from-wikipedia/
There are plenty more examples.
There are complete websites dedicated to exposing Wikipedia.
Really anyone referring to WP as a credible source canāt be taken seriously.
They are at best childishly naive and donāt know how to look up actual sources but mostly they are bad faith actors.
As credible as those who link to āarticlesā from western sources about their enemies and their proof is : ā(anonymous) sources sayā , āit is believedā,ā¦
Simple mouthpieces and an insult to journalistic standards and conventions.
And here we go again with the propaganda claims of āubiquitous surveillanceā
Think itās hard to get money to groups?
How did they fund the Taliban, Somalian terrorists or their good friend, the headchopper Jolani in Syria?
Is it hard to fund them when they can even get from China all the way to Syria, where they to this day massacre minorities?
Oh look, another āare you sayingā fallacy followed by putting words into my mouth.
Yes, heās hiding and sometimes seen with Elvis in Las Vegas!
In case you never noticed, this guy was old and never looked healthy.
He was a kidney patient and in those 15 years āmissingā he probably died of kidney failure.
So nothing spectacular or conspiracy theories.
This was reported by many sources, including his wives who said he had apparently recovered from two kidney operations.
Of course āUS intelligence sourcesā the most credible people on the planet deny this.
Otherwise their Hollywood capture mission wouldnāt fly.
If you really are acting in good faith I suggest you inform yourself better and look up multiple and credible sources before you make claims and form an opinion.
You mean when I put, āThat said, I donāt think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo;ā?
Yeah, I donāt have hard evidence for that.
Iāll also say that Cubaās south of Tijuana, but I havenāt checked a map to make sure.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2012/10/05/wikipedias-pay-for-play-scandal-highlights-wikipedias-vulnerabilities/
That 13 year-old article seems to indicate that attempts were made, but doesnāt seem to provide examples.
https://tankie.tube/w/48uvLWEKJM8fvSyiSupXf4
Tankie Tube?!? Why not. I wonder how many of its videos are also on Rumble and Bitchute.
But yeah, I suppose the Zionists are trying to influence Wikipedia. Ditto anti-Zionists.
I wonder how many times have they tried to edit articles such as wp:Gaza genocide.
By your standards, as itās from Wikipedia, it must be a garbage article.
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https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1626367075965960193
This links to Shitler!
wp:Azov Brigade
Didnāt some commies in the early days use swastikas?
But yeah, their existence alone justified the Russian invasion.
Ukrainians must bow to the Kremlin yet again.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/political-staffers-tried-to-delete-the-senate-scandal-and-other-bad-behaviour-from-wikipedia/
Political Staffers Tried to Delete the Senate Scandal (and Other Bad Behaviour) from Wikipedia
This article is 12 years old.
They tried.
apparently:
192.197.82.203 made this edit:
Revision as of 17:36, 10 July 2013 edit undo
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pamela_Wallin&diff=prev&oldid=563694386
Revision as of 17:49, 10 July 2013 edit undo
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pamela_Wallin&diff=next&oldid=563694853
So I guess over 15 years ago this edit was reversed in under 13Ā¼ minutes.
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https://wikipediasucks.co/forum/
What about Wikireview?
Hereās a frickinā long article:
wp:Criticism of Wikipedia.
Also, wp:Category:Criticism of Wikipedia has 18 pages and a subcat.
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wp:Adolf Hitler
What garbage! Donāt you agree?
(Because, you know, as you put it, Wikipedia is garbage.)
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No offense, but while Wikipedia isnāt gospel, itās quick enough for me.
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Big Brother protects them.
How do Chinese people view surveillance cameras? #China
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pbdaFM4uvvQ
Red China probably has more and stricter border controls, has been around for several decades, and the government seems to control the population more.
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First off, some might take issue with you calling someone under 55 years of age āold.ā
Not only do I hope that you celibate your 55th birthday, when it comes, as a person with much vigor and vitality, but that thereās a good chance you will. (If you eat right, exercise, listen to your doctor, maybe take supplements, and donāt be a terrorist, you might be able to run 100 meters in under 20 seconds and blow out all the candles in 2 tries, maybe 1.)
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The way I figure it, you are denying that he died in that reported assassination, which means he either lived, or he died earlier, and I guess further that youāre saying that he died earlier.
Okay.
Iām not going to argue this with you because it sounds a bit credible.
What if the US murdered him in their operation?
What if he died before?
What if he lived, perhaps still lives, either quietly, or in some black room?
Does it change my view of the US?
Not really.
Thank you for your valid points in this.
Iāll keep it in mind.
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Yes, but I have a life to live, and perhaps time spent on such research, while perhaps fruitful, might yet be better spent on other things.
looks like you have plenty of time for research if you would want to, since you have time for elaborate replies.
Even if they are again full of your cheap tricks.
Like going on about a Hitler article which has nothing to do with anything.
Look I founds something thatās true on Wikipedia, therefore your claims of all the proven manipulation are false!
Trup says his name is Donald, therefore he always speaks the truth.
Thatās really pathetic and plain wrong, you argue like an infant.
If āquick enoughā is more important to you than factual that says enough.
It would explain why you are wrong on most things.
And again make more baseless claims:
Itās the size of Europe, and people can go in and out.
Uyghur terrorists being in Syria is a well established fact.
You denying that they wouldnāt be able to is laughable.
As laughable as your YT camera video, whatās this supposed to prove?
Have you heard of England with itās massive CCTV network since the 50ās?
Big brother!
As usual you use fallacies: attacking the source.
Oh no Tankietube!
It is real information or do you think the evil commies made an AI video of that Bennett and that other rat?
As if itās not enough you therow in a whataboutism āthe anti- genociders do it too!ā
Well they donāt since they donāt have to lie, they simply can write the facts of the genocide.
See, youāre starting to sound more and more like a hasbarat.
And that picture with the swastika, whatās that supposed to prove?
First itās not sourced and again irrelevant to anything I said.
Somehow the fact I use that example where Wikipedia is manipulated to remove their nazi ideology is reason to write this nonsense:
Well no, a western backed nazi coup with the US directly what nazis would be in their puppet government followed by fascist batallions, such as Azov, Sich, Tornado, Misantrophic division and many more who bombed the eastern ethnic Russians for 8 years causing 14000 deaths and the risk of the imperialist NATO putting nukes so close to Russia it would be impossible to defend against.
If you really want to go there and defend these nazi scumbags youāll have to substantially upgrade your game, youāre failing as it is.
Your tricks are transparent, and arguments make no sense and deflections.
Not gonna waste my time debunking your clear nonsense and fallacies.
If you are a hasbarat I suggest you take the advice of your own trolling handbook.
I quote: āwhen found out or out of your depth, leaveā
I suppose I have some time for such.
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Wikipedia is garbage. You should believe nothing it says.
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Wikipedia seems to say that Hitler is bad.
Trump says heās a great leader.
Perhaps both statements are garbage due to one is lying Trump and the other is garbage Wikipedia.
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Presumably most of those in the wp:Schengen Area can travel anywhere in the Schengen Areaāat least thatās whatās in this Wikipedia article, but donāt believe it because Wikipedia is garbage.
Presumably many of those in the PRC can travel anywhere in the PRC.
However, I think Syrians would have some difficulties in trying to get into either.
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I donāt think Uighurs from Syria would have an easy time going into the PRC.
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That aināt good either, but at least you can carry a sign saying that the British PM is bad.
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Youāre saying that the WP is tainted, or seriously tainted, because some Zionists are making organized efforts to turn WP articles into propaganda doesnāt necessarily mean that theyāve succeeded.
I didnāt bother to watch the video completely because Iām not questioning the veracity of the clip, other than make fun of tankies.
Letās say itās true.
Again, I donāt think it cites the success of the Zionists, only their attempts.
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The WP article refers to its Nazism, or possible Nazism.
They talk a lot about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1289301350#RFC:_Can_we_refer_to_the_Azov_formation_as_"far-right"_in_the_lede?
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Would this make you feel better?
prolewiki:Azov Battalion
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wp:Viktor Yanukovych#Removal from presidency
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I agree with the sentiments. When some people in a region of a country openly revolt, the national government should just let it happen, and if they attack the rebels and civilians get hurt or killed, itād be entirely the fault of the national government.
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Upgrades can be good.
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Are you saying that arguments make no sense?
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Youāre not required to waste time.
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āIfā.
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I tend to agree with the 2nd half of your statement.