Depends who would ban it. From my life experience, we have one side that definitely would because they get mad at anything the other side. ANYTHING. While the other side is typically more rational and has critical thinking skills.
I hate that the word fascist has become the new slur people use when they hear something that is against there core political beliefs. There are real fascists but they are not everyone who isn’t far left. I see this turning into a left version of the red scare. People are getting increasingly extreme and violent on each side which is dangerous for the long term stability of the US. In reality I think we need more moderate politicians who are willing to reach across political briefs and backgrounds.
Look mate i agree but when arguing with comservatives that the exact same attitude that they give you and it annoys me because it is not a real argument to say “you are wrong and have no critical thinking skills” yet here we are again.
No, treating them as reasonable people is the reason they took power. They cannot be reasoned with as proven by decades of them hardening their views while they were treated as “reasonable people with differing views”.
No, I won’t cater to the idea that pointing out problems makes them worse.
What other side? Sure there are always a few rational people. However the vast majority choose a side and then blindly oppose anything the other side says/does. When their side happens to have critical thinking on their side they are for that, but that isn’t a factor in why they choose something.
Trying to convince yourself otherwise proves that you are ignoring the issues on your own side. If you really were a rational thinker you would have to choose your side separately for every single issue - nobody has time for that which in turn means you sometimes rely on someone who turns out to be irrational but because they have proved rational in other areas you trust them here too.
There are literally hundreds of complex interconnected issues that affect our daily lives. It is impossible to have a well-informed stance on all of them. No one benefits from strong opinions based on an oversimplified understanding. That’s childish.
The things that directly affect me are all things that one side is against. One side wants to remove my ability to be myself get mental health care etc.
I don’t love the other side but it’s the only one that will allow me time to get to a point where I can be useful in getting my ideas to people.
I’m an independent thinker. In the past republicans and democrats had both good and bad ideas.
In today’s world democrats are more for the people as a country and care more about citizens, example, making sure kids in schools get free lunches, “no child should go hungry” as they understand not everyone is rich and can afford proper meals for dinner later in the day, the cause being maybe medical debt or other unforseen hardships, example. A car accident and need a sudden co-payment of $2000 to fix or replace their car.
While republicans want to stop free lunches to save 12¢ extra in a state/county tax. So I’ve seen Republicans only show greed for themselves which in turn completely halts advancements in a society. Example, private healthcare. You would pay significantly less in a raise in federal tax compared to a monthly premium+ medical bills. The math isn’t that hard to do, but Republicans are so blinded by the thought of "my hard earned money is for me and not for Susan who has 3 kids and her husband has terminal cancer. Now she has to pay $250,000 when he dies.
So in short. Democratic party in my eyes has been for people. Republican party in my eyes has been for themselves and everyone else can live in the streets.
If you have morals and standards, its not hard to take a stance on every issue. If you support education, it doesnt take much looking into anything about education to understand how decisions fit into your worldview. And even if you support some aspects of one side and some from the other, you still have to pick a side because welcome to Americas 2 party system.
My experience with many users on lemmy who support “critical thinking” are not actually advocating critical thinking. Theyre trying to justify their mental gymnastics while simultaneously feeding their self-righteous egos
It takes a lot of thought and research to come up with a good opinion on some subjects. Some subjects are easy because of values, but you need a lot of study to understand other subjects.
You need to have an opinion on things you don’t understand. There are people for and against vaccines - this is a very complex subject and both sides have what sounds like science behind them, and both also have real medical doctors. You are affected though so you better get to the bottom of it as both sides will tell you the wrong choice is a disaster.
Depends who would ban it. From my life experience, we have one side that definitely would because they get mad at anything the other side. ANYTHING. While the other side is typically more rational and has critical thinking skills.
I have heard that Obama supports breathing.
I heard Obama and Biden are anti mask and anti universal healthcare now.
I also heard Obama supports Trump, so if you like Trump it means you like Obama and that makes u a dumb librul. Checkmate, everyone.
Are you talking about liberals being dumb?
/j
Yeah, dumb liberals with their dumb vaccines and pasteurized milk and fluoridated water and science. 🙄
Fucking libtards
They probably don’t even know how to do the tariff hokey pokey.
Tariffs go up, stocks go down. You can’t explain that.
Liberals were against vaccines long before conservatives were. It was never mainstream, but it was getting there.
Source?
I remember in the 90 or maybe 00s a study coming out that said vaccine scepticism was about even between liberals and conservatives.
I literally cannot tell them apart from a fascist Maga!
-young American leftists
I hate that the word fascist has become the new slur people use when they hear something that is against there core political beliefs. There are real fascists but they are not everyone who isn’t far left. I see this turning into a left version of the red scare. People are getting increasingly extreme and violent on each side which is dangerous for the long term stability of the US. In reality I think we need more moderate politicians who are willing to reach across political briefs and backgrounds.
We needed that 40 years ago, in 2025 we have to fight against actual fascists doing actually fascist things.
Thats however what everybody thinks about themselves
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It’s not about them actually being the same.
What @lowleekun@ani.social is saying is that no one sees themselves as the bad guy, regardless of what their opponents think.
Sure, they can view themselves however they want. Doesn’t change reality.
You’re low key proving my point about how people think.
Look mate i agree but when arguing with comservatives that the exact same attitude that they give you and it annoys me because it is not a real argument to say “you are wrong and have no critical thinking skills” yet here we are again.
Conservatives are wrong and are reactionary in a way that shows they have no critical thinking skills. It is ok to acknowledge that.
It won’t win anyone to your side if you’re trying to convince them and say that though. That’ll just harden them in their views.
If you really want to reduce the influence of the right then you’d want to stop that sort of language spreading
No, treating them as reasonable people is the reason they took power. They cannot be reasoned with as proven by decades of them hardening their views while they were treated as “reasonable people with differing views”.
No, I won’t cater to the idea that pointing out problems makes them worse.
A lot of those people are correct.
What other side? Sure there are always a few rational people. However the vast majority choose a side and then blindly oppose anything the other side says/does. When their side happens to have critical thinking on their side they are for that, but that isn’t a factor in why they choose something.
Trying to convince yourself otherwise proves that you are ignoring the issues on your own side. If you really were a rational thinker you would have to choose your side separately for every single issue - nobody has time for that which in turn means you sometimes rely on someone who turns out to be irrational but because they have proved rational in other areas you trust them here too.
This really is not that difficult nor time consuming.
It is absolutely difficult and very time consuming
For some.
There are literally hundreds of complex interconnected issues that affect our daily lives. It is impossible to have a well-informed stance on all of them. No one benefits from strong opinions based on an oversimplified understanding. That’s childish.
The things that directly affect me are all things that one side is against. One side wants to remove my ability to be myself get mental health care etc.
I don’t love the other side but it’s the only one that will allow me time to get to a point where I can be useful in getting my ideas to people.
Completely agree.
I’m an independent thinker. In the past republicans and democrats had both good and bad ideas.
In today’s world democrats are more for the people as a country and care more about citizens, example, making sure kids in schools get free lunches, “no child should go hungry” as they understand not everyone is rich and can afford proper meals for dinner later in the day, the cause being maybe medical debt or other unforseen hardships, example. A car accident and need a sudden co-payment of $2000 to fix or replace their car. While republicans want to stop free lunches to save 12¢ extra in a state/county tax. So I’ve seen Republicans only show greed for themselves which in turn completely halts advancements in a society. Example, private healthcare. You would pay significantly less in a raise in federal tax compared to a monthly premium+ medical bills. The math isn’t that hard to do, but Republicans are so blinded by the thought of "my hard earned money is for me and not for Susan who has 3 kids and her husband has terminal cancer. Now she has to pay $250,000 when he dies.
So in short. Democratic party in my eyes has been for people. Republican party in my eyes has been for themselves and everyone else can live in the streets.
If you have morals and standards, its not hard to take a stance on every issue. If you support education, it doesnt take much looking into anything about education to understand how decisions fit into your worldview. And even if you support some aspects of one side and some from the other, you still have to pick a side because welcome to Americas 2 party system.
My experience with many users on lemmy who support “critical thinking” are not actually advocating critical thinking. Theyre trying to justify their mental gymnastics while simultaneously feeding their self-righteous egos
I also think it hasn’t helped that the news as become more of a propaganda outlet. They probably live in a bubble.
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It takes a lot of thought and research to come up with a good opinion on some subjects. Some subjects are easy because of values, but you need a lot of study to understand other subjects.
You need to have an opinion on things you don’t understand. There are people for and against vaccines - this is a very complex subject and both sides have what sounds like science behind them, and both also have real medical doctors. You are affected though so you better get to the bottom of it as both sides will tell you the wrong choice is a disaster.