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I’m not surprised, but you can’t forget that a lot of people on reddit don’t really post or comment a lot. I myself was one of them, I’m way more active here than I ever was on reddit though.
Same.
I feel like the people here are way more open for discourse, which makes it a lot less scary to voice your thoughts.
Still haven’t posted anything though, I’m not a conversation starter, but rather a participant. XD
The reddit hivemind would do that to you
On Reddit if you post anything opposite the hive mind it goes off the rails. If they are talking turkey for thanksgiving and you post ham, the reaction was that as if you murdered their only child.
Here people just ask questions and converse like they normally would in the real world.
I credit my 12 years on reddit with my ability to create airtight defenses towards anything in my daily life.
The boar’s head in hand bring I,
Bedeck’d with bays and rosemary.
I pray you, my masters, be merry
Quot estis in convivio
Caput apri defero
Reddens laudes Domino
Yeah but you’re also also not contributing to the horde of data that they can sell to the AI companies. So your account isn’t useful to them.
They are boasting now but they know they’re done for.
I can’t imagine this stock price is going to be anyway near what they wanted to be when the IPO comes in. Assuming it now happens at all.
Am I the only one who thinks that having only a 7% dip in visits and a 16% reduction in time spent on site is really unusual when over 99% of the site was dark for 48 hours? To me, that suggests that something fucky is going on with the count of real users vs bots on the site.
https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/72348
Based on the numbers in this post it’s fair to assume reddit is 90% bots.
And I would really not be surprised, it was so lich repeating same ideas that it was not possible to come from different people.
Nice try, monobot glares suspiciously
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Huffman has fully torpedoed any credibility he held before this fiasco. I don’t trust any statements he could exert influence over.
I think I see the problem. 99% of the site wasn’t dark. That reddark site was showing a hand curated list of subs that announced they were going dark, compared to the number of those subs that did go dark. The exact numbers are impossible to track down, but reddit claims they have “100k+” active communities. Less than 10% of reddit actually went dark, conservatively speaking.
Of course, all subs are not created equal, so just comparing sub numbers doesn’t tell the whole story, but even anecdotally, my sub list was mostly intact during the blackout.
If they only loose 10% of users or less. That can still be fatal. If they keep the 99% that’s lurking but lose the 1% that creates the content. The lurkers will leave eventually. Just slightly delayed. And from what I’ve seen there’s been a lot of content creation and activity here. And plenty of lurking as well. I think the reality is that we won’t see the true impact on Reddit for another few months.
I’ll be real with you, both of those things are huge for a company as large as reddit. They will obsess over user features that increase attention by just one or two percent. So losing that much traffic is a red alert.
They also will have tracking for number of posts and comments deleted, number of subscriptions lost, users banned, etc. All of those numbers will look awful.
In fact, karma is a really good indicator of what they lose. If you take karma, divide by time since account creation, then you have an excellent measure of engagement with communities. They can see how much karma is being lost. That’s why they’re afraid.
I am at an over my dead body moment with reddit. I don’t care what their numbers say I’m not going back.
I was on that moment for years, just there was no real substitute. Hopefully, lemmy will remain big enough.
I think it will. It’s grown a lot and quickly too. I’ve been constantly keeping an eye on the “new community” communities and have not been disappointed to see all my favorites showing up.
I’m concerned people will get put off by the federation differences. I feel like it will scare people.
It may. It did for me a little bit. Although I would sat since then every article or post I’ve looked at on this subject has carried some explanation of the form, “There are lots of sites, but they all work together so just join one and explore.”, which was my only initial fear.
Which ones are showing up that you’ve been excited about?
I was happy to find a Futurama community on the first day as the new season approaches. Thinking more recently Dad Jokes was a new find that has brought me some joy. I’m always looking for new communities that are art related.
Not completely normal. I deleted my account that was old enough to sign up for most websites on its own. I’m not the only one.
Haven’t deleted either of both of my 14 yr accounts yet, but I haven’t been on Reddit since the blackout and have plans to nuke it all after I navigate new subscriptions and think it through.
FWIW, I find the experience a refreshing re-start, just like when Digg and Slashdot fucked up and I’m already seeing shit posting, memes, and fresh content galore on Lemmy in just the last week. I doubt I’ll go back to Reddit except for some esoteric solutions that I find in searches.
Haven’t fully deleted mine yet, but I’m already using it a lot less. Lemmy is more than good enough for bathroom scrolling and I’ve actually gone back to reading books before bed. Just finished one yesterday.
Mine was 8 years old and I haven’t touched it since the protests started
I deleted mine after that disastrous AMA that the head spaz put on. What a shit show.
I’m not planning on deleting mine, I do have some good technical answers on my account that I don’t want to delete. I figure stopping participating is more important than going back and deleting it.
10 years for me and not been on the weekend before the protest and have no plans to return anytime soon. But when I do it will be to gain as much that I saved as I can and then nuke my account from there. And I have 150k in karma. Doesn’t seem like much but took me a long time to earn that and I was proud of it. But when RIF goes I am gone.
Long live Lemmy, long live the fedverse.
Also deleted the 3 accounts I had - it’s most like a paid ad. People need to stop giving two shits about Reddit, it’s a corporation that doesn’t care about its users yet a bunch of its users, even former ones, seem to overly care about it.
So to start with, who cares? Fuck Nestle and fuck Reddit. Stop giving them what they want, visibility.
Second is that I call bullshit. Either this is a straight up paid advertisement or Reddit just games the numbers to get them to where they wanted.
I absolutely think that the numbers are correct. If Reddit is a habit for you you will not break it immediately (unless you really dislike the changes). This is just time spent, not how much users enjoy it. And if they don’t enjoy the content as much because the quality dropped they will start looking for alternatives. But for most that is a long term thing.
Perhaps you are right. It just seems suspicious that Reddit views went into rapid decline and then a few days later we get an article about how their views are back to normal.
Although not conclusive if you do a Google keyword search for “Reddit alternatives” the numbers go stratospheric in the last 2 weeks.
If people wanting to leave Reddit work normal levels, there wouldn’t have been such a huge spike in searches.
I would love to see statistics on OC by account age before the blackout and now.
Everyone who made reddit what it was is gone. Period.
Why are all these posts about reddit being posted to /c/Technology? There are so many dedicated reddit communities. The “news” about whatever is going on (or not) over there doesn’t need to keep cluttering up this community.
Especially when they are all the same thing. Either “zomg reddit is removing mods” or “zomg reddit is totally back to normal we promise, please come back if you haven’t”
I think people are just choosing the communities with the greatest number of users.
More strict moderation would spread it out, it would think.
“Returns to normal”… minus one user.
And my axe.
Yep that’s a reddit throwback but I deleted my 14yo account 2 weeks ago and have actively avoided them since.
Make that 2…
Make that 3…
make that n+1
deleted by creator
I’m Spartacus!
And my axe!
Make that 2…
I know that is bs because I haven’t been there in days and I probably added 100 visits a day to their stats. So they’re at least a couple hundred shy. Suck my balls spez.
I know that is bs because I haven’t been there in days and I probably added 100 visits a day to their stats. So they’re at least a couple hundred shy.
The article mentions 55.31 million daily visits (average). You decreased their stats by 0.00018%. Even if all new active lemmy users had your level of activity, the other site would still return to normal. There are just so many other users.
I am not sure I believe that, it might be that bots can be active again now that the subreddits are reopened, but I know that I am not back. And I won’t be back, and I think a lot of people are staying away as well. That the traffic is now normal seems a bit sketchy.
I know that I am not back. And I won’t be back, and I think a lot of people are staying away as well. That the traffic is now normal seems a bit sketchy.
I’m afraid that’s just bubble bias. Most people just don’t care or haven’t found a viable alternative yet. These +43k active users on Lemmy are huge for Lemmy, but not even a scratch for the other site.
After the initial exodus at the start of this month, you could see more and more comments demanding returning to business as usual.
[I’m afraid that’s just bubble bias.] Huh, hadn’t heard of that one before. But yeah 43.000 is not a lot next to 52.000.000. I am still staying here tho
If Reddit experience a drop a 5% of its user base I doubt they would immediately notice. And even if they did sites like this (pcmag) would not consider that a major drop and so wouldn’t even report it as such.
But we all know that 5% of the users produce 90% to the content.
It’s interesting to see how the traffic is after 1st of July. I hate to speculate but I wouldn’t be surprised when an article will comes out, stating traffic has not changed after 1st of July.
NGL, I’m only there for the porn now
Yeah, didn’t find any equivalent on lemmy so far…
I’m going to continue using rif until it shuts down at the end of the month but there’s no way I’m downloading their shitty app. I have a feeling a lot of people are in the same boat.
Enjoying the last week of Apollo, greatest app of all time!
RIP Apollo :-( Reddit died for me when they killed it
Sync >> Apollo
Sync isn’t on iOS, is it?
Similar for me, but with Relay. I absolutely refuse to use the shitshow that is the official app. And honestly, I’ve been actively choosing to use Reddit less and less.
Yeah. I’m on vacation anyways, with me minimal cell coverage, so it’s been pretty easy, but I’ve popped in a handful of times. but, there’s no way I’m installing their client. None. I don’t have Facebook, or Twitters clients, I’ll be damned if Im installing reddit.
Pretty much same for me tbh. I’ll have to see when it actually happens. But I’ve been in Lemmy since this all started. And it’s clear the content has grown here substantially. To the point where I can scroll and scroll like in reddit. It wasn’t like that the first time I got here.
Same here. I’ll check out the Fediverse first then go to reddit if I still need to waste time. No point in quitting early. The protests clearly failed so might as well just accept that.
Hopefully their numbers drop dramatically next month.
Reddit bots and AI have returned Reddit traffic to Normal. They don’t need no stinkin’ human users causing problems.
The reddit bots have returned. Nature is healing.
Until the 30th, then we’ll see who actually leaves
This is an important point, the death of 3rd party apps should in theory make at least a dent in user numbers on reddit.
I haven’t been back since the blackout, but I’m waiting until July 1st to delete my post and comment history.
The amount of content I’m seeing over here these days lets me know that despite whatever the numbers tell you reddit lost sizeable amounts of community members and content producers. What these statistics hide is the massive dent in reddits free labor pool of mods that are likely done with the platform.
Lemmy has beyond exceeded my expectations of quantity and quality of content. I will pass by reddit occasionally but its become clear that the Fediverse concept can actually work. It has issues that need to be solved, but the minds behind it are very smart and motivated to find a way to make it keep working. The rate of PR’s getting merged into lemmy 0.18 are wild.
Yeah I’d much rather be here watching it grow than on Reddit watching it die
Very good way to put.
The rate of PR’s getting merged into lemmy 0.18 are wild.
don’t piss of open-source developers
Yea, same. Really liking the content and friendly atmosphere over here. Looking increasingly viable as a replacement, especially if you believe in quality over quantity.
A ton of current content is produced by spam bots. As I understand it, the new changes will also affect these bots, so curious to see what will happen.
Somehow I doubt the actual spambots have applied for a developer API key. They’ll be fine.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they had, actually.
Still, a spam bot can just use the free license - they won’t make nearly as much api requests as a proper app would.
The ones that make 60 posts per account per hour are easy to detect no matter how they post.
Well, user traffic has returned to normal, but we also have to consider that it’s just traffic. Some of that traffic is also a bunch of people talking about Reddit, protesting, etc.
That being said, I don’t think Reddit will die from this, but it doesn’t need to in order for the Fediverse to succeed. All it needs is to push enough people onto federated services and kickstart it, just like Twitter did with Mastodon. We aren’t going to all switch overnight, it will be a gradual process.
My own reddit traffic has dropped right off since I discovered Lemmy. For now this place has the feel of the early internet: democratic, distributed and friendly. It really makes clear how repugnant Reddit has become.
I noticed the same thing about Mastodon vs Twitter. When I visited Twitter I would come away angry. (This was true both pre and post Elon.) When I visited Mastodon I would come away happier and with some interesting ideas. The tone is totally different. I chalk it up to the absence of engagement-maximizing algorithms, which tend to select for toxicity because that’s what gets people to spend the most time on the site.
It really does have that feel!
As someone who was around back then, being in the fediverse actually makes me feel young and lighthearted again.
I hadn’t fully realised quite how soul-sucking the corporate web 2.0 was until now I’m completely off it.
Same for me. Lemmy still has some rough edges but even the apps that are available now are really good as they are. Improvements are happening at amazing speed. What we currently have is quite good in my opinion and this is the worst it will ever be, as we’ll have improvements on top of improvements, most apps and lemmy itself are open source, I believe that soon, instead of us feature pairing with reddit, it will be them trying to chase us up.
What’s nice to me is that I’m not replying to this on Lemmy. I’m able to use my preferred UI (Kbin) and interact with the same content as everyone else, connecting more people together. It makes it feel more collaborative.
Me: Here, take my upvote!
Kbin: What am I supposed to do with this??
(But seriously, you’re right, it’s awesome)
Upvoting on Mlem on Lemmy.world!
Exactly. People also forget that reddit didn’t spring up overnight, and the great digg migration wasn’t a one-time en masse thing either. It was a slow bleed for 2~3 years even after digg’s v4 redesign. Those that stayed on digg turned it into one huge circlejerk about how reddit sucked and it would never take off, and people would end up back on digg eventually … EXACTLY like what is happening on reddit now. It will take time for Feddi to grow, but it will as long as dedicated users stick around and create interesting content
This is a good point. Because even websites which replaced others, oftentimes the older one is still there. Like even Digg still alive after Reddit got more popular. Some people say Tumblr’s dead but its really not especially for specific interests like games. The success of you isnt based on the failure of someone else, and its important to remember and not become cross because reddit still has users. Especially its been only like 10 days and a lot have already gone onto other sites.
The success of you isnt based on the failure of someone else
Totally agree. Also, that’s just a great wholesome motto for life in general tbh hahah.
We should focus on building the community we want and people will come.
Reddit has given us an incredible head start with the way they handled the API changes.
The people who understood what that meant and decided not to stand for it are the people who came here first. Should be an excellent foundation.
Lemmy has been around for 4 years compared to Reddit’s 18. Compare Lemmy’s current state to 2009 Reddit for a somewhat more accurate look.
I hate that I’m still adding to Reddit traffic but every once and a while I still do (search item) + Reddit because it’s still better than just googling something and getting 100 terrible SEO articles about a topic.
For example. I wanted to look for DIY dog toys. I got hundreds of results with crappy clickbait, and ridden websites. Did +Reddit and got some great results.
Once I can do +Lemmy and get decent results my traffic will fall hard… I guess I gotta be part of that change, offering threads of my own with information I know. But it just seems homeless some days.
Honestly, I haven’t seen as big of a push for redditors to move elsewhere.
It feels like Plan A was to protest the changes and when that plan didn’t work, there was no Plan B in sight. I saw someone suggesting that perhaps, at this point, it would be best to consider moving to another platform but the reality is that outside ModCoord I didn’t really see a coordinated effort to do that.
While everyone is likely to suffer in the long-run in terms of the quality of content, outside of losing access to some very cool apps the biggest victims of the whole ordeal have been the mods actually standing up to Reddit’s tyrannical behavior.
Reddit is beyond redemption, but for many people reddit is home and the plan now seems to be to comply with the orders and try to keep what semblance of normalcy and power each mod has rather than realizing that the point at which their votes, voices and free labor matter is over.
Indeed. These days on any social media, there’s a critical threshold for user generated content creation. Different for every platform and as social media expectations change over time. I think the fediverse has a real shot at sustainable growth thanks to Twitter and Reddit enshittification. Being able to see new content daily or even hourly as a measure of critical mass seems to have been reached here and it’s beautiful to witness!
If some of the 3rd party app devs convert their reddit apps to fediverse apps, that will really get the ball rolling
Sync is coming!
I left and haven’t logged in for a few weeks now, so I know at least my traffic is gone.
same. I’ve 100% switched to Lemmy for browsing; keep subscribing to more communities. it feels perfectly complete.
however… my google searches still take me to reddit… ugh sucks that all that ‘user knowledge’ is stuck there.
I left but logged in to see if my deleted post and comments were restored. Some of them were restored so I edited them to nonsense
I never said anything of value, ao I left all my comments.
