Why YSK: Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and Sh.itjust.works effectively shadowbanning anyone from those instances. You will not be able to interact with their users or posts.
Edit: A lot of people are asking why Beehaw did this. I want to keep this post informational and not color it with my personal opinion. I am adding a link to the Beehaw announcement if you are interested in reading it, you can form your own views. https://beehaw.org/post/567170
Pretty sure that’s right.
That’s confusing. Let’s say that there is antance A, B and C. (Instance A is Beehaw) Now let’s say A bans C, but not B. And B hasn’t banned anyone. That would mean instance A would still see the comments of C, when replying to B, right? If so, people from Instance A would feel like they are being gaslit more then people blocked from instance C.
Doesn’t ‘gaslit’ mean convincing someone they’re making things up? Or is that all in my head?
Gaslighting doesn’t exist, you made it up
Oh it definitely exists. Ask anyone who has experienced living/working/dealing with a narcissist.
I think they were joking…
Lmao. Well, woosh!
I guess I’ve just had too many real arguments with people on reddit about this and this comment flew right past me. :D
Gaslighting is convincing someone that they perceived or remembered things incorrectly. That’s a very specific kind of manipulation.
Why do people use it to mean bullshitting in general?
Like most buzzwords, gaslight has lost its meaning.
Gone the way of ‘reboot’ huh? I blame the media trying to cram the trendy terms in wherever they can.
My understanding is that Lemmy isn’t peer-to-peer, it’s more like hub-and-spoke, relative to the instance that the community is on.
So if users on B and C are interacting with a post on A, then it’s the responsibility of A to be the postman and handle the syncing between A<>B and A<>C; B and C don’t directly talk in this case.
Thus, nobody outside of Lemmyworld sees posts from Lemmyworld made on Beehaw communities, because Beehaw doesn’t accept them, and therefore doesn’t pass them along to the other instances, either.
So let’s say A is Beehaw and C is Lemmy.world and B is a hypothetical instance that Beehaw and Lemmy.world approve. How does that work?
Does it just clip off viewability of the comments for A if a post from C is made?
Trying to understand your comment it sounds like your saying if A bans C, then no on other than C can view their comments?
Not quite. So imagine each Lemmy instance is a post office, responsible for receiving mail from other instances on your behalf, and also responsible for sending your mail to other instances.
The post office (instance) that matters is the one where the thread is taking place. When you write a message on a thread - if the thread is on your home instance, great! No outbound mail. If it’s not, your post office (instance) will send your mail across the fediverse to the instance where the thread actually lives, and the receiving instance adds it to the thread.
Likewise, when users reply to you, their instances mail their replies to the instance where the thread lives; the thread’s instance is then responsible for re-forwarding their mail to you.
In this case, Beehaw has unilaterally decided not to accept mail from, or deliver mail to, Lemmyworld. So your experience varies based on which is your home instance, and which instance you’re interacting with.
So exploring it by example, let’s consider we have three instances: Beehaw, Lemmy.world, and (shameless plug) my adorable little home instance of federate.cc, which is federated with both of the above (and is accepting membership applications by the way!)
If the thread lives on Beehaw, and you are a member of…
If the thread lives on Lemmyworld, and you are a member of…
If the thread lives on federate.cc, and you are a member of…
Phew! How confusing. A far better solution would be… don’t defederate, splitting the community!
Hmm, what happens to the comments in your third situation? Do Beehaw users see some kind of “Cannot display this message” error on LW comments but can still read replies to it made by other users or does the entire comment chain just disappear?
Third situation being, thread on neutral server? AFAIK the comments from LW just never appear at all. They won’t know they’re missing any content.
That’s good. It’s always annoying to see “Hey, there’s content here but you’re not allowed to see it” on sites like this.
But can C see A through B?
My understanding is that Lemmy isn’t peer-to-peer, it’s more like hub-and-spoke, relative to the instance that the community is on.
So if users on B and C are interacting with a post on A, then it’s the responsibility of A to be the postman and handle the syncing between A<>B and A<>C; B and C don’t directly talk in this case.
Thus, nobody outside of Lemmyworld sees posts from Lemmyworld made on Beehaw communities, because Beehaw doesn’t accept them, and therefore doesn’t pass them along to the other instances, either.