• @orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org
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    22 years ago

    Are you aware that it’s possible to want neither NATO tanks nor Russian tanks in Ukraine?

    I am.

    But do you believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia without NATO’s weapon supply?

    • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      He most likely doesn’t believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia with NATO’s weapon supply, and for good reason, given how clearly this is demonstrated by the utter failure of the vaunted counter-offensive. The only thing your position is really advocating is the useless deaths of vast numbers of Ukrainians (and Russians, for that matter).

      • @teichflamme@lemm.ee
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        02 years ago

        The mere fact that they are in the act of a counter offensive after Russia tried to blitz then shows that it’s not even close to what you’re describing.

        Ukraine is holding their current territory pretty easily and gaining the upper hand very clearly.

    • trot [he/him]
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      122 years ago

      No, just as it would be unable to resist NATO in being turned into a far-right paramilitary-led banana republic if Russia were to suddenly withdraw without any decrease in NATO involvement.

      But the beauty of the neat little trick above is that if the working classes of both sides correctly oppose their respective ruling classes’ interests, we can end up with a scenario where both sides lose - objectively the best outcome for the Ukrainian people, as well as everyone else.

      The Russian anti-war activists are clearly holding up their end of the bargain. Why are you not holding up yours?

      • @orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org
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        12 years ago

        The Russian anti-war activists are clearly holding up their end of the bargain. Why are you not holding up yours?

        Ah! To be young and naive enough to believe that the anti-war activists in Russia have any leverage. They will all end up in Siberia or jumping out of a window.

        Any regime change in Russia will come from the oligarchs, and the Russian working class will still be in a bad position (if not worse).

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          2 years ago

          They did quite well in WW1.

          Speaking of that, was the Entente was completely justified in sending millions to die in the war? After all, previously you said:

          I’m sorry, but when it involves one imperialist bloc invading a smaller country, then it does matter.

          Not even one, but two smaller countries! Think of little Belgium and Serbia!