it’s like you believe you can tariff them expecting they won’t do the same. Why do you believe the rest of the world is not going to retaliate and why do you believe America can prosper without the rest of the world?

What’s the point of having a military alliance with countries you puts tariffs on? That’s unfriendly to say the least.

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    Yes, when they are in conditions that afford them reasonable employment protections. The chipmaker’s visa would make slaves of them. If they quit, they’ll be deported back to China, and I expect charged with treason when they get back.

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      Why would people from Taiwan be deported to China? Even if the US wanted to punish them, Trump hates China more than anybody else.

      With a growing number of ARM and RISC-V manufacturers out there, people with these skills are in high demand. You’re completely off base.

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        The whole point of the chips act is bring chip manufacturing to the US so we’re no longer disputing sovereignty for Taiwan to protect the chip manufacturing industry. If we get to the point that we have imported laborers from Taiwan manufacturing chips in the US, the US will no longer be defending Taiwan the way it is now, and it will be firmly under China’s control.

        Any indentured servants here on a chipmaker’s visa will be fully aware that quitting their jobs will likely result in deportation back to China, and all of the legal ramifications they’ll face back at home. This is already an issue with h1b’s, and will be dramatically worse under this new visa with all of the foreign policy issues intertwined.

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            If we treated MIC line-item assets well, Lockheed wouldn’t be constantly battling their workers’ union. And these people brought in from Taiwan will enjoy almost none of the same protections, including no fucking way they’d be allowed to unionize.

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                I understand that’s how it should work. You don’t seem to understand how things actually work in a reality run by capitalists.

                If society actually worked the way you seem to believe it does, it would be merit based and the richest people would be these world-class scientists. In reality, the richest and most successful people are those who can enslave and exploit those talented people.

                You also seem to be accidentally injecting your own xenophobia and racism, because you keep bringing it back to that. As if you believe there’s some eugenics reason that people from Taiwan are talented chipmakers. I assure you, people from the states could perform just as well given the same opportunities and education investments here. They would rather import these people to treat as indentured slaves.

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                    I’m gonna make this real simple for you: If you do not control capital, you are a laborer under capitalists. Yes, that includes white collar engineers and scientists- not simply blue collar assembly line workers.

                    We don’t even need to speak in hypotheticals. Just look at the engineers brought in for big tech under h1b’s. We have people here who can do this work. They would prefer to import the labor under one of these programs, because it makes them easier to exploit, and afraid to quit abusive employers.

                    You are so thoroughly indoctrinated, you can’t seem to separate capitalist propaganda from reality.

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          The US supported Taiwan for ideological reasons long before TSMC was a thing. Your reading of the situation is completely bunk.