I mean, if an elephant dies what do they do with the body?

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    31 month ago

    you don’t have to be vegan to help stop animal cruelty. there are many, many humane and legit ways to help animals without veganism. not drinking milk or eating eggs doesn’t matter.

        • Sunshine (she/her)
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          21 month ago

          Calves being ripped from their mothers and male chicks macerated is not animal cruelty?

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            11 month ago

            you act like thats literally the only way we can have milk and eggs. be real man.

            • Sunshine (she/her)
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              11 month ago

              The vast majority of that is through factory farming. It’s a cheap cop out from personal responsibility saying you only “buy local animal products.” You probably eat at restaurants or at friends’ houses without checking the source of those.

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              The only way you can have cows milk is by impregnating cows. Google how this is done, there is tutorial videos on YouTube. It is horrible.

              The only way people have egg laying hens is by killing the male chicks. This happens even with backyard chickens.

              Be real man.

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                It’s extremely rare outside of I think Germany but they have commercial in-ovo sexing for laying chickens now. Living conditions for laying chickens are still fucked though.

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                  Do you have a source? I can’t find statistics on how many eggs sold are actually using this method.

                  I found an article from the guardian that mentions it is 98.5% accurate (as claimed by the company, not peer-reviewed) and they somehow claim the eggs sold using this method did not kill any male chicks. What do they do with the 1.5% of hatchlings that are male? Just put them in a cage to die of natural causes? There is billions of hens so that would be millions of male hatchlings even if this method was used in the real world (which I can’t find proof of)

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                    11 month ago

                    There’s an industry article here. They still raise the males that slip through for meat which sucks. But Germany has banned male chick culling so as far as I can tell it’s all hatcheries in Germany using this method, possibly all eggs sold in Germany.

              • Sunshine (she/her)
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                11 month ago

                This happens even with backyard chickens.

                Damn, I’m vegan and I didn’t even know that 😭

              • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                01 month ago

                artificial insemination is a veterinary procedure. I don’t care to watch videos of live births or spaying and neutering, but that doesn’t make them bad.

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                    there is no higher benefit to any living things than to pass it’s generic material to a new generation. sterilization is not in their interest, but AI is.

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                    hey, you’re not going to change anyones mind coming in here and them telling they’re wrong and chastise them for not being vegan. you don’t know me, but i guarantee that method is wasting your time.