- cross-posted to:
- politics@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- politics@beehaw.org
He may not be in office, but Donald Trump has been speaking with the powers that be about Israel’s war on Gaza—but it’s not in an effort to end the genocide.
Instead, Trump has allegedly been talking with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avert a cease-fire deal, fearing that doing so could help Vice President Kamala Harris win in November, according to PBS.
“The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the Prime Minister of Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now, because it’s believed that would help the Harris campaign,” said PBS’s Judy Woodruff Monday night. “So, I don’t know where—who knows whether that will come about or not, but I have to think that the Harris campaign would like for President Biden to do what presidents do, and that’s to work on that one.”
I’d prefer neither, and in any case I’d still refuse to promise my vote to a party before the election. If Harris wants my guaranteed support she’ll have to start acting like it.
Now is the best time to push the party left, and genocide is the one issue I absolutely refuse to compromise on.
In a perfect world maybe, but not how it actually works. Please vote for your best interests. A not vote is that same a vote against your own interests.
I’m not saying not to vote, I’m saying not to make yourself ignorable. If the DNC knows they have your vote they won’t have any reason to try and earn it.
You said you can’t garauntee you’ll vote for Kamala and that she needs to earn your vote. Also that you shouldn’t be ignored.
What are you saying? Are you saying there’s a possibility you’ll vote for trump? Because that’s the only other option… unless you don’t vote.
I guess I’m just confused about how are going to get these people to see you. How are you going to not be ignored? The whole no confidence vote already happened, and the next vote is the only one left
If Trump was able to convince me that he’d stop America’s support for genocide then I would.
And until Harris can do the same, the Democrats do not have my fealty.
That is precisely the risk that the Democrat party is taking. If there is no option for voting against genocide, then people like me might not feel enthusiastic about getting out of the house on voting day.
The same as any organization, public opinion polling:
The party is well aware that the fraction of their base that wants to stay the course on America’s national support for genocide is a minority.
That they have not already changed their stance is evidence that they do not see a need to do so. They must be confident that they can win the election without the support of uncommitted voters.
Bet.
First off, the only one asking for fealty is the republicans. Second, trump already said “finish the job” so obviously he’s not in favor of a cease fire.
Now we’re right back to voting against your own interests. A not vote for Kamala is a vote for Trump(in a tight race like this)…. who supports the genocide fully… “finish the job”
You have two options.
vote for an administration that has called for a cease fire and is working to get it. Not doing a great job at it but the alternative is…
Vote for the administration that has said “finish the job” fully supporting the genocide and not calling for a cease fire.
How are you going to not be ignored? If trump wins because people like you don’t vote you’re definitely getting ignored lol. Actually that mother fucker might thank you for helping him get elected.
“If these people won’t do exactly I want then I’m going to make sure I get exactly what I don’t want!” - that’s you, that’s how you sound
Even the poll you just posted shows dems are more in favor of a mutually beneficial outcome, as opposed to(not to beat a dead horse but) “finish the job.
You want to be seen and heard? get out and protest and vote for your best interests. You want to be ignored? Don’t vote. Not voting gives you literally no skin in the game to complain later
Edit:grammar
Incorrect. Democrats have been the only ones demanding my vote. Republicans don’t bother trying to convince a “commie queer” like myself.
Likewise, the Democrats who pretend to support a ceasefire but keep authorizing weapons shipments anyway.
There’s those demands for fealty again.
Like this. You’re failing to ignore me right now.
“If these people don’t stop asking the Democrats to represent their interests then I’m going to blame them for Trump’s second term” - that’s you, that’s how you sound.
It’s as if you’ve already given up on this election and are looking for some “other” to blame so you don’t have to accept the fact that the DNC would rather lose an election than to stop arming Israel.
And yet, the Democrats would rather stay the course than to do the thing that would net them more votes. By your own logic, the party is not doing everything it can to maximize its chances in the election.
I’m doing exactly that. You’re responding to my protest now. We have an opportunity for productive dialogue and you risk squandering it with manipulative rhetoric. It is not possible to guilt a single-issue anti-genocide voter into tolerating genocide, but it might be possible to convince your political party that it needs to take a more principled stance on the topic.
Telling people I’m not going to vote has resulted in far more productive and nuanced conversations like this than a promise to vote ever has.
On the contrary, voters are the ones with no standing to complain, because they voted for it. Only the non-voting majority of Americans can claim that they are not represented by the political establishment.
Funny enough it’s seems I ignored you lol
Democrats demanding you vote… for your own best interests. The last part is the kicker. If you feel that’s Trump fine. A non vote is still using your vote, and if doesn’t get you what you want…
Genocide isn’t in my best interests.
If there is no option on the ballot to stop sponsoring genocide then I’m not getting what I want regardless of how I vote.
If the Democrats feel that Trump is a threatening-enough stick that they don’t need to offer a carrot, then that’s their problem.