cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/6669422
A new housing development outside Phoenix is looking towards European cities for inspiration and shutting out the cars. So far residents love it - The Guardian
I live in a walkable neighborhood in Montreal, Quebec. It’s fantastic. Everything close by at a 15-20min walk depending on what I get.
Lots of second hand goods stores, bulk goods as well and fruits and veggies, butchers, fish mongers, groceries, pharmacies, and bars and restaurants. Etc. It’s excellent.
Montreal has excellent areas! Miss that city a lot.
The apartments are also mixed in with amenities, such as a grocery store, restaurant, yoga studio and bicycle shop, that are usually separated from housing by strict city zoning laws.
Wait, it’s actually forbidden in (much of) the US to have grocery stores etc. close to where people live? WTF?
It is, the YouTube Channel NotJustBikes explains the issue in a few videos “housing that cannot be built in America” or something like that
This one :)
The Lively & Liveable Neighbourhoods that are illegal in Most of North America - Not Just Bikes: https://youtu.be/bnKIVX968PQ?si=7tIT7yD5iw_s5vUe
Exactly, thanks!
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This is kind of overblown. I live in the Phoenix valley suburban sprawl and there are shopping centers mixed with the suburban zones every 1 mile at major intersections. I can already ride my bicycle to yoga, bars, restaurants, and grocery within easy range. These discussions use Phoenix as examples of bad design but I really don’t get it and ride my bike all the time anyway. There are canal paths and stores spread out everywhere in the suburbs.
Did not read the article as is tradition but not shit sherlock that people like to be able to walk without the noise and pollution of vehicule everywhere and not forgetting the risk of getting hit by a massive weapon because someone is doing a tiktok dance while driving
Do trees not grow in Phoenix? If I lived in such a hot place I’d want as much natural shade as possible
They do and the cities around the valley here often provide free trees to homeowners and have programs where they are trying to fill in as much as they can with shade. Some subsidized by the power companies I believe, to reduce power consumption by putting shade next to homes. I ride my bike a lot around the city here and there are a lot of sections with fantastic tree cover on paths and parks. Of course there are also barren sections, but trees can grow well and it is discussed often locally to plant them.
I’m all for walkable places but most walkable cities that I’ve lived in have trees everywhere. I couldn’t see many in those photos. Also those buildings look like a housing project.
It’s Phoenix. Desert.
cheap easily buildiable housing is a good thing but yes I agree completely with the trees. Makes such a difference
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You can walk in my neighborhood… downhill for about 2 weeks a year. Here in Kenmore WA, the rest of the year is certain death if you leave the house on foot. You would become a human popsicle most of the year. Then after you walk for literally 45 minutes you get to jack in the box and that’s the end of your travels. Are you going to walk back home? Uphill and in freezing weather? And that’s the way we combat homelessness here. They literally can’t ever set up camp…you either. You’re pretty much trapped inside an insulated box with a running tap on the gas pipeline grid. If that infrastructure dies, you are as good as dead too. The air handler is running the entire year. Winter for heating, then the two weeks I mentioned for cooling. Plus, outside your house is basically fungus eating everything…you car, your tires, dead wood, live wood. The roof. Everything is coated in a thick slimy mold layer.
What was the question again?
Have you considered not living in satans slimey anus?
What was the question again?
Why are you living in a place that doesn’t support human life? And did people live there before electricity and gas?
I’m right there with you. Well, a bit worse, rocking a 20 for walkability. On a few occasions I have decided to take my life in to my own hands, walking the 1 mile alongside the cars which seem to have confused the 40 mph road with a drag strip.
The sweet reward for doing so? Nothing but the finest of dining options. From Subway to McDonald’s to Taco Time, we’ve got it all!
what if you lived across the street from a mall where there used to be a parking lot?
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Neighborhoods of this ilk can be found in cities such as New York City and San Francisco but are often prohibitively expensive due to their allure
So it’s just rich people in expensive major cities then? Cool.
Ha! Buddy of mine who lives around those parts: “Great if you are a rich work from homer who can pay at least 3k for rent and use the community Uber discount to go grocery shopping since there is no grocery shop in there”
who can pay at least 3k for rent
So you are saying this type of development is so sought after that they are able to set rent at higher rates than the surrounding “parts” and still get enough tenants despite the “inconvenience”?
Also yeah according to the article, the nearby amenities include a grocery store. It’s not an apartment complex, it’s a walkable town.
Sounds amazing until a north east winter happens. Then I want my car
